#awinewith Elisa Choy: what a breast cancer diagnosis taught her about building a business
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Elisa Choy is one of the rare SPARKTV guests to come back for round two, and what a year it's been. Just after her first episode, the economist turned energy healer was diagnosed with breast cancer, and in this conversation she shares, in her own remarkable framing, how "Bobby the Booby" dissolved her fear of being seen, healed key relationships, and completely changed how she's building Quantum Energy Shift, her Sydney quantum healing practice. This is an episode about blocks, mortality and rebuilding from calm instead of hustle.
What happened since her first episode
When Elisa last joined SPARKTV, she'd already transformed from economist and AI founder to energy healer after rheumatoid arthritis blew up her corporate life. Then, just after that episode, came the breast cancer diagnosis. "I immediately knew it was just a moment in time. I literally said the words: this is a moment in time." True to form, she personified it, naming it Bobby the Booby, Cousin of Ruby (Ruby being the rheumatoid arthritis that first taught her to rest). Six months on from a double mastectomy and reconstruction, she shares that her checkup came back all clear.
The mortality moment that dissolved her fear of being seen
Before the diagnosis, Elisa admits she'd slipped back into old patterns: hustling, buying grow-your-business courses, and hitting what she calls her Great But Wall of China on her biggest block, the fear of being seen and heard. Then came the mortality moment. "If you're not afraid of dying, then why are you afraid of being seen and heard?" Within 24 hours, she says, her whole approach shifted, and relationships that had been stuck for years began to heal. "Now I'm creating from a more balanced, calm place. Something that comes from that strong foundation has a lot more legs and sustainability."
"I was soil": why no experience is wasted
Elisa used to lament her snakes-and-ladders career, building and crumbling nine times over. The answer came in one of her own subconscious sessions, where she experienced herself as soil, as the earth itself. "With all the experiences you've ever lived, all the ups and downs, the big growths and the big falls, they compost into experiences that make the earth more fertile." Her corporate past isn't a detour, it's exactly what makes her relatable to the logical, analytical, corporate people she now guides. As she puts it: if an economist becoming an energy healer is possible, "what is your possible?"
Getting around the Great But Wall of China
Elisa's work, quantum hypnosis using the QHHT method developed by Dolores Cannon, is built for the moment when you know exactly what your blocks are and still can't shift them. "You know this, you know this, you know this, but you're still doing it." Through guided meditation she takes clients past the conscious mind into what she calls the theta state, from quick single-issue sessions ("pulling a weed out of the garden") to full-day deep dives ("we remodel your backyard"). Her practice books one client per day, and the aim is always outcomes: "I'm not here just to have a nice experience. What is it that you really want to shift?"
Elisa's one piece of advice for women in business (round two)
"It's time to reconnect with you. You're more than what you think you are, and there is more to life than how you're doing your thing. And you know it. It's all inside. Find ways to get to know you again, because you don't actually have to be anything else to be valuable and loved. You are valuable and lovable just the way you are. And when you return to you, you're clear, you're confident, you're peaceful, you're calm, and whatever you do from that never feels tiring, and life is just joy and full of synchronicities."
Meet Elisa, Founder of Quantum Energy Shift
Elisa Choy is an economist turned energy healer and the Founder of Quantum Energy Shift, a quantum healing practice in Redfern, Sydney. After 25 years as a data economist, including founding an award-winning AI company, Elisa retrained as a certified QHHT practitioner in the Dolores Cannon method, guiding clients into their subconscious to clear deep-seated blocks, one dedicated client per day. Her analytical grounding makes her a favourite with logical minds, overthinkers and corporate professionals dipping a toe into the quantum. This is her second SPARKTV episode, so go back and listen to her first if you haven't already.
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Full transcript
Danielle: Oh my god, welcome back! Elisa, we don't have many people for round twos on the podcast, but I am so excited to chat to you again, because so much has happened since we spoke last.
Elisa: I know, it's unbelievable how much has got crammed in, and that's why I said to you, I think, you know, everything's changed, let's have a chat again.
Danielle: Yeah, it's true, but it is like that, isn't it? We were just having, before we hit record, even that conversation that the world's changing. Every year in business things change, you change and evolve, and then life happens to you. So, yeah, so many things can go on in the span of a year. Now, I'm gonna link up our previous episode so that everyone can go back and have a listen to that, but for anyone that hasn't listened to it yet, let's tell everyone very quickly who you are and what you do.
Elisa: Hi, my name's Elisa, I am an economist turned energy healer. So, I work with people to connect to their subconscious part of themselves, some people call it the soul, to answer some of those deep questions about life. So, why do I have these patterns, triggers, fears? Why do I have these persistent health issues? Sometimes, you know, you talk and talk and you go to therapy, but you just can't shift it. So, there's actually that part of us called the subconscious that has all the insights, the answers, and the wisdom, and the font of healing. And to tap into that, I go through hypnotherapy. So I take people through, essentially, guided meditation, to get into that juicy zone, I call it the quantum dimension, and you see some amazing results and some amazing answers to their life's questions, which allows people to move forward in their life. So that's what I do now.
Danielle: I love it so much. And we covered a lot of that in the last podcast episode, but just to dive into that a little bit, it is so critical, isn't it? Because, and it's really wild, I'm not, I guess, in the healing or spiritual realm, but very, very woo-woo. But I see it so much in women in business, that something, it's like an invisible force that does just hold them back. And it's actually one of the reasons I stopped sales coaching, because I was like, I can tell you what to do, but the problem is you're not doing it. And there's some weird thing going on, there's these blocks that we have that just stop us from moving forward, exactly like you said. So, to offer women, or anyone, the ability to figure out what that is, and actually be able to make progress in their life, whatever they're struggling with, that's incredible.
Elisa: I know, I love it so much, because, you know, we're all intelligent women and men and beings, and we know our fears and triggers and things holding us back. We can describe it until we're blue in the face, we've been to talk therapy, but it's like, you know what you need to do, you know what happens, you have the tools, you know all the things. And the more you're aware of it, the more frustration builds up as well, because you're so over the thing. So I call it the Great But Wall of China. It's like, you know this, you know this, you know this, but you're still doing it. And sometimes it just takes another approach, to get around your conscious mind and then go underneath, into the subconscious part of us, because that's where the holds sit. And more often than not, when we're in session, the blocks that you have, that you're carrying in this life, are from a past life. So it's not even your fault. You didn't even consciously bring it in, you're just carrying this rando fear of whatever. It's not random. Because, you know, in sessions, the beautiful explanations that come through are, like, mind-blowing. You'd never guess what they are. And so when people sort of live that experience of a past life where this issue originated, they not only get that sense of understanding, but we're also rewiring the mind from behind the scenes, so the conscious mind just gets out of the way, right? You don't have to do anything, it's all done, and it's through energy. It doesn't hurt, you don't have to ingest anything, you don't have to, you know, sweat lodge it. It's really effective. And so when people understand, oh, that fear of success, or fear of speaking, which is a huge one for women, fear of being seen or heard... guess what? In a past life, you were this person, and you were persecuted for saying what you needed to say, and so you've carried this fear of being seen and heard, which is such a woman thing, to be honest.
Danielle: Mmm, yes, drives me bananas.
Elisa: I mean, that's not your fault. So, when we sort of understand that, we get rid of it, we nip it at the source, and then you go, oh, it's gone. And it's like, why didn't I do this earlier?
Danielle: Oh, I love it. And so, hypnotherapy, what is actually involved? Is it in person? Can we do this online? If I came to you, and I was like, oh my god, I need to sort my shit out, what would that process look like?
Elisa: Well, hypnotherapy, essentially, is guided meditation. So, using words to take you into an altered state. So right now, we're talking to each other in a conscious state. There's many levels of consciousness, and right now, we're at the beta level, where we're talking, we're focusing, we're problem solving. This is work zone, and that's where the conscious mind is most active. And then if we just simply close our eyes, or if we're doing something relaxing, like dancing, or listening to music, or something that takes us off, we're still aware, in that alpha zone, where we're not as focused and concentrating. That's the next level. The next level is where I work, which is the theta level. And that is the state where your conscious mind quietens down, it moves out of the way, and then the subconscious part of you can come through. And so, when we go through guided meditation, I take you safely through those different levels, down to that theta juicy state. And in that state, we explore, and we connect with your subconscious part of you. Now, you can do that in person, or you can do it online, but there's different levels of depth you can get to. So, sometimes people want to quit smoking, or something. That's a really simple one. Or I need to stop eating sugar, or whatever it is, right? That's been quite successful. It's a short, sharp session, about an hour, maybe two hours. It can be in person or online. That's fine. I call that pulling a weed out of the garden. One weed. But sometimes you kind of go, I'm really over it, there's a lot of things I actually want to deal with. My relationship, my career, my health, a whole bunch of stuff, and they're all interrelated. So that's when I do a face-to-face, in-person session, and we spend pretty much the day. Five to seven hours, it could take longer. There's no time limit for this process, and that's the beautiful thing, right? So we take as long as you need to get really deep. We get really deep, we get more answers, we do more clearing, and rather than plucking out a weed one at a time, we remodel your backyard. And it's not for everyone, because it takes a lot of openness to say, you know what, I'm really ready to shift this thing. I really want to know what my true answers are. I really want to connect with my own eternal wisdom. And so that's essentially what I do, that type of hypnotherapy, which is quantum hypnosis, which is the QHHT method invented by the great godmother of hypnotherapy, the late Dolores Cannon.
Danielle: It's incredible. And, you know, you mentioned at the beginning that you were an economist. How did we get from economist to hypnotist?
Elisa: I know, it seems like a wild change. But this has been a process of many years, since 2018, pretty much, when I left corporate. And that was through my own journey of healing, and through that, I realised there were so many things in how I was operating that were not right for me, and it manifested in a health issue. First one was the rheumatoid arthritis, and so that pretty much just blew up my life, as well as leaving corporate, and my relationship blew up, and all the things blew up, all at the same time. And sometimes, for people like me, I need an epic explosion of life so that I would be shaken out of my autopilot. And the autopilot, which many people still live, is the burnout treadmill. Keep going, keep going. It's the full mind-driven thing, forget everything else, it's the go, go, go, and it's out of balance. And then before you know it, you're miserable, you hate your life, you don't know why you're moody, you've got health issues, but you keep going. So for me, I was lucky I had, I call it the Hiroshima bomb, that just blew up my life. But that was the start. And so through that, I had healing experiences, I've had teachers, I've had different journeys to find myself, to understand my own energy systems, and then really align with what I'm here to do in this lifetime. And when I look at what I used to do, and what I do now, it's actually not that different. I used to use data, like, hard data, to answer questions and analyse systems. Economists are people who look at systems: people, culture, and society, and then answer it for business reasons, to make more money, right? I actually am similar now. I'm working for a person who comes with a whole bunch of questions, and I use a different data set and a different method to find their answers for them, to help transform and help them navigate their life. And, you know, the difference now is that I always get huge, heartfelt thank yous for the work that I do with them, whereas I've never received a huge heartfelt thank you for the most amazing analysis I've ever done. No one ever says, oh, thank you for the most amazing strategy. Like, has anyone ever said that to you?
Danielle: Thank you for making us millions of dollars.
Elisa: They don't. They just go, oh, you did a mediocre job, I guess I'll give you a 1% pay rise next year, you get to keep your job. That's the dynamic of what we're all sort of still struggling with. And so, I'm lucky I had that moment of my big bomb in my life. Otherwise, I think I'd still be pushing shit uphill, climbing that ladder that never ends, and wondering why I hate my life.
Danielle: I know! Why is it, though, that we do this? That we just tolerate, tolerate, tolerate, and then sometimes it is that giant moment of health issue, life issue, some kind of dramatic event, that actually is the thing that tells us, okay, lady, time to make some change in our lives.
Elisa: I think we just weren't aware that there were better ways to do things. I just didn't know. Because we're of the generation where you work hard, you study hard, you get a good job, you do what you're told, blah, blah, blah, and you toe the line, you stay in the career, da-da-da, and then you rise. That was what we were told was life, and if you get off that, then what's wrong with you, sort of thing. But there's more to life than that. It's not a linear path, and there's so much variety in colour and diversity, in approaches, and what does success mean? That's another evaluation I've had to do in my life, you know? And so, if it wasn't for this big moment to, like, blow me up, I wouldn't pay attention. So, I think for a lot of people, a health concern is a big wake-up moment. Because you have no choice.
Danielle: Yeah, well, that's it. The choice gets taken out of your hands, doesn't it? When it's that kind of a life event. So tell me, what's been going on since we spoke last, in the last 12 months?
Elisa: The reason why we're talking again is because, not only did I have one big epic health issue... last year, just after you and I spoke, I got diagnosed with breast cancer.
Danielle: Far out.
Elisa: Out of the blue. And I thought, I've done my big health epic thing, I'm done, right? Because I've managed my rheumatoid arthritis, I'm not on any medication, I'm fine. But yes, then breast cancer came up. And so, for me, that was a big shock. But by now, it wasn't the first epic change in my life, and so I think this time around, I was able to really cruise through it. I mean, some people would look at it and go, oh my god, the doom thing, and go really into the fear. But I just immediately knew it was just a moment in time. I literally said the words: this is a moment in time. I never thought, I'm gonna die or anything, because I know that I've got things I need to do in this life, because I've spoken to my subconscious part of me. So it helped me navigate, with all that preparation. And when I look at why did I get this... I call it Bobby the Booby, Cousin of Ruby.
Danielle: Excellent. We've got to see the joy in this.
Elisa: You gotta see it, and I had to personify it, and I had to make it a character, and, you know, it's just a moment in time. So, Ruby, which was rheumatoid, she taught me how to stop and rest, and really nurture myself, and look after myself, and connect with my body. Thank you very much, Ruby. Now, Bobby came at a time when I had some blocks, too. Like, yes, you do all this work, but you still have these blocks that come up. They call them monsters. They could be a money monster, a relationship monster, whatever monster. They come up all the time, you gotta keep slaying them, because... weeds in the garden, right? So, I had a couple of monsters coming up, and they were around, I guess, my block of being seen and heard in this new business. Going from economist and AI and data person and strategy and corporate person, left-brain person, to intuitive, flowing, co-creating, healing, metaphysical person, I had to go through my own Great But Walls of China and sort of break through those, but I couldn't. And even though I did a lot of work on subconscious parts, sometimes my mind is so strong. It's so strong, it still was holding me back, and I knew, and I was actually operating from the wrong place again. I was falling back to my old place of hustle, do the things to grow the business, do it the old way, and I was about to drop lots and lots of money on these big Grow Your Business courses, and da-da-da. And then I had moments where it's like, no, no, no: computer shuts down, my phone shuts down, my calendar wipes. Technology intervenes and says, no, you're not making any more calls to these sales funnels. I knew everything, but I still didn't want to hear it, you know? There was that thing. So Bobby came. And Bobby's like, cancer. Bobby's like, you've got life and death in front of you. I had that immediate going, I'm not gonna die, I've got shit to do. But it was like, okay, well, what am I waiting for? It's one of those mortality moments where you go, what are you actually afraid of? If you're not afraid of dying, then why are you afraid of being seen and heard? So that shifted. Almost within 24 hours, I had a shift in my mindset on how I was going to approach the business. But it also meant, I'm not going to grow anything now, because now it's time to focus on my healing and all the things. That was the biggest gift that it gave me. And it also alchemised a lot of blocks I had with key relationships at the time. With my family, with my partner. Things that, again, I knew what I had to do, but I just couldn't do it. I just couldn't get there. And so, when Bobby came, all the relationships around me, because they also got woken up by this mortality issue with me, it all melted away. So, with my mother, with my brother, with my partner, all the things that were sort of holding us back. You know, I wanted to connect with my brother more, but I didn't really know how to, and there's a bit of pride, and he's younger than me, and all the things. With my mother and I, we always have these friction-y moments, and she gets all fiery, and she's in that generation where it's like, are you making enough money? How are you surviving?
Danielle: Can you eat food? Can you feed yourself?
Elisa: I'm 45, I'm a mum, you know? It's like, I'm good. And then there were dynamics with my partner at home. So it's like, when Bobby came, it just melted away.
Danielle: Wow.
Elisa: And so, obviously, then I had my surgery. I had a double mastectomy, decided to get rid of both my breasts.
Danielle: Wow.
Elisa: And a new relationship with my body. I literally had moments of learning where I really said to my body, you know what to do from here. It's not a mind thing anymore. I can't control anything. You're way more intelligent, you know what you need to do. Teamwork, team body, you're now on the field. I handed everything to you. And there was also 24 hours I had on fentanyl in ICU.
Danielle: Oh my god.
Elisa: Major surgery like that. So essentially, I had both my breasts removed, and what they can do now is reconstruct your breasts using fat from your tummy.
Danielle: Wow!
Elisa: I'm getting a tummy tuck.
Danielle: Again, loving the silver lining here, yes?
Elisa: Right? But it was a big surgery, 12 hours, multiple surgeons, very heavy, pretty much put under a body coma to get all the stuff done. So then I was in ICU for a couple of days, and I was on the fentanyl button for 24 hours. And fentanyl's one of those... it's a horrible drug, but it does get you to an altered state of consciousness. I don't recommend everyone go on fentanyl, but there are chemical ways to get you into that altered state. I was 24 hours on fentanyl, and I had such an interesting experience, where I could actually disassociate from my conscious mind and my subconscious, and there were conversations happening, and I was just the audience, observing them both having conversations about the same train of events, from a conscious mind perspective, and from a subconscious perspective, interpreting exactly what was happening. And I found that just amazing. It expanded my awareness of body, mind, everything. And yeah, coming out of that process, I had my checkup: no cancer spread, it was all clear.
Danielle: Wow! Congratulations! We need to celebrate this!
Elisa: And so it was like... that's 6 months ago, since I had the surgery. It's like, did that just happen? It doesn't feel like it happened. It came in, and it came out. Just like I said, a moment in time. So now, when I'm back to building business again, it's from a very different place. I don't have that fear of being seen or heard. I actually don't give a F anymore about what people think and feel about me or say about me, because I don't need it. So I thank Bobby for Bobby's arrival, and the gifts that it's provided, and here I am. So I'm creating from a more balanced, calm place. And something that comes from that strong foundation has a lot more legs and sustainability than anything else. I was going down that hustle, hustle, hustle, do-do-do, build, build, build, da-da-da, and now this is a gentle unfolding. It's such a different way to be, and a different way to grow something.
Danielle: I'm just so fascinated by how quickly you were able to get there. It's interesting, often when we have big life events, it is not until years later that we can actually see the lesson, or feel the lesson, or take the good out of it. But I love how, like you said, within 24 hours, the whole mindset shifted, you realised why it was here, you realised it was a moment in time. Sure, there were probably gonna be some shit things that you had to go through, but you leveraged it straight away to repair relationships, create a new direction for your business. The speed at which you reconciled such a huge event is just incredible.
Elisa: Thank you. I've had that said a lot. That's the way I work. I've been told that I work at the speed of light while standing still. I guess the reason is because my purpose is to help share, through lived experience, what I know and learn, to help others navigate in a faster way. I don't believe people need to have the 7 years that I took to get to where I am, because I did it randomly, and it needed time for me to do that. But now, with the things I know, we don't need 7 years. I have stuff to learn, and impart, and that's why I've got no time to wait 2 years for the revelations. I've read the book, right? Let's move on to the next book.
Danielle: Yeah. I love that. And it is interesting, I think sometimes people think things have to take time, there have to be certain stages that you go through, growth that you see, setbacks, all the things. But it's like, no, if you want to be there, it is actually your choice to be there, and if you want to collapse time and make it happen now, again, totally within your control.
Elisa: Yes, and that's where we're working with the quantum field. The beautiful quantum field, where there's no concept of time or space. Time is a man-made construct, a human-made construct. In the quantum, everything is past, future, current, all at once. There are no limitations, infinite possibilities. And if you look at it, we only know 0.0-whatever percent of known matter, from what we can see, feel, and touch, in the whole universe. The rest is just blackness, nothingness. But it's not nothingness, it's where everything creates. So, it's like our mind. Our conscious mind only knows what we know from this little mini life, as this person. But the soul and the subconscious knows all the lives we've ever lived. Now, obviously, you've got to subscribe to the value system that you have past lives. If you don't, then that's fine. But for everyone else who believes that there's more to you than this body and this life, all the other yous, where does that all reside? It's in that subconscious part of us. It's in the ether. And so, we can go into so many metaphysical conversations that will blow people's minds, but it is about being aware and making a conscious decision. That's it! Now, of course, sometimes you make a conscious decision to shift something, and you really want to, but you still can't get there, and that's why we've got to work in that beautiful, juicy quantum space. So, yeah, there are so many possibilities in this, and I feel like telling this story is a physical manifestation, showing people that transformational things can happen, and things can shift. Being so dramatic, going from an economist to an energy healer, is possible. So, if that is possible, what is your possible?
Danielle: I love it on so many levels. I love "what is your possible". But even going back to making that conscious decision, and then even when you do, sometimes there is that block. I guess that's why people like you exist, right? Because sometimes we need a hand, sometimes we need help, and that is totally okay, because sometimes we don't know the things that are holding us back, and we do need somebody to hold our hand and guide us through that process of figuring out what it is, so that we can make that decision, but then actually have it come to life.
Elisa: Yeah, that's right. This is not something you can learn by studying. You need to embody it, and have somebody who's walked it before to walk with you. You've got to get in the ring. This stuff is harder than going to the gym, lifting weights, or running a marathon. This internal, personal, transformational work is really important, and no one can do it except you. And to shorten time, you do it with people that you trust, and who you feel have credibility. And who's got credibility? People who've walked it before you. I think that's the reason why I have all these calamities and epic things that happen in my life, because they're learning moments that I can then alchemise into lessons and teachings and experiences for people, so they can find their possible.
Danielle: And isn't it wild that one of the things you were talking about at the beginning was that fear of being seen and heard, and how this is the thing where you've gone, no, fuck it, I'm here, and this is what I have to say. But also, how powerful that it's given other people the ability to see what is possible. If this is possible for me, it's possible for you. So the experience has also amplified your work as well. It's just wild.
Elisa: I mean, I used to lament, going, why do I have such a snakes-and-ladders life and career? I build, and then it crumbles. It's happened 9 times, and I'm like, I am tired. I want to build my thing, and then just enjoy! But no. So in a session I had, where I tapped into my subconscious part of me, I asked that question, and the answer... well, really, the experience was: I was soil. I was the Earth. I kept smelling soil, I'm like, why am I smelling soil? I was in this scene where I was the earth. And the Earth is creation. Things go into the earth to be created. Seeds. Animals make homes, they create in the earth. And so the Earth essentially is like a container, or an environment, for creation of things. And the Earth doesn't do anything, right? It doesn't do anything. So the message was, for me: you don't need to do, do, do. You just be. The Earth just is. It doesn't have to do anything, it's there. And what happens is, with all the experiences you've ever lived, and all the ups and downs, and the big growths, and the big falls, they compost into experiences that make the earth more fertile, to create new things for people. And so then I was like, wow. I now accept my part. I get it now, right? And this is the thing: I would never have had a psychologist tell me that sort of revelation in a way that I would get it. Because when you're in that altered state, not only do you hear it, but your body and the cells in your body, they hear it.
Danielle: Yeah. Oh, and that's interesting in and of itself. How many times do you have somebody give you feedback, you watch a course, you hear this, you go to therapy, you do the things? You will literally get the same message a hundred times and not hear it. Sometimes it does take a more impactful experience for your body and your mind and your spirit to actually wake up and hear the message.
Elisa: And then when you hear it, that's when you can move on. And the block just melts away. And that's the beautiful, magical thing that I see. Because I am still very outcome-orientated. I'm not here just to have a nice experience. You can get a nice meditation elsewhere. When we work together, it's like, what is it that you really want to shift? And being the economist, data person, I'm like, let's go find the answers for you. And so, this is such a beautiful process, and I can only do this work now. If I did it in my 20s, I wouldn't have the richness of my soil, from the experiences of life. And why am I, from a corporate world background, in this world? It's so that I can be relatable to corporate people. Because a lot of people still go, oh, it's a bit woo, I don't understand it, they feel scared. And, you know, they're not ready to go to Mullumbimby or Byron Bay and eat dal and walk around barefoot. That's too much for them. I mean, I can do that too now! But there are still steps that people need, to feel comfortable to get out of the mind, because the mind is, like, so judgy. It's so, like, what are you doing that for? That seems a bit, ugh, whatever.
Danielle: It's so true, though, isn't it? And I just love that you said that, because I think oftentimes, as we go through different experiences in life, we do have that self-judgment of, like, that was a waste of time, oh my god, that failure, or that career pivot, or that this, or that that. And like you say, the judgy mind, she's awful sometimes. But you're so right, it does colour where we're able to serve from, no matter what business you're in. It is that collection of experiences that allows you to do whatever it is you're doing for your community, or your customers, or your people.
Elisa: Yeah, that's why this work has to be done now. And, you know, there are a lot of women who are waking up to what they can contribute. And men too. Men have a different experience, in the sense that they feel the burden of having to be everything to everyone, and to protect, and they're feeling a lot of the stress, but unfortunately, they don't have that release valve. Women are naturally more open to this sort of stuff. Men are getting there, slowly. I'll still talk about the same stuff, and slowly they'll come around. But there is a lot of fear around doing things differently, because they know it so well. And I know that fear, because it's like, yes, it's hard, yes, I hate it, but I know it, so it's easier. But it's not easier. It's not easier at all. There are better ways.
Danielle: Yeah, exactly. There are better ways. I love this so much. I could talk to you all day, seriously, but I always love to wrap up this podcast, and I'm gonna ask it to you again. I know you answered it a year ago, but I'm interested in if the answer's changed. Reflecting on, I'm gonna say not just business, but life at the minute, what would be a piece of advice you would give to another woman on her business journey?
Elisa: Oh... gosh. See, my analytical brain already compartmentalises and goes, okay, it depends on the angle that you're thinking. But if I just shut the brain off and go... I think what's coming up for me is, for any woman who's listening to this: it's time to reconnect with you. And once you do that, it unfolds a lot of things. You're more than what you think you are. And there is more to life than how you're doing your thing. And you know it. You know it. It's all inside. And I used to get frustrated, because you hear that a lot, everything's inside of you, you already know the answers, and I'm like, yes, I know, but how do I get there? And I mean, I'm saying now: everything's inside of you. It really is true. Now, just find ways to get to know you again. Get to re-know yourself, because you're more than what you think you are, and you don't actually have to be anything else to be valuable and loved. You are valuable and lovable just the way you are. And I know the mind's like, yeah, whatever, but I've got my bills, and I've got my children, I've got my partner, I've got my responsibility for my parents. Yes. But returning to you... there's a whole bunch of things that we can do just to return to you. And when you return to you, you're clear, you're confident, you're peaceful, you're calm, and whatever you do from that, it never feels tiring, and life is just joy and full of synchronicities and fun and joy.
Danielle: Oh my god, you are absolutely incredible. Thank you so much for coming back on the podcast for round 2. I want to check in with you in another 12 months to see how life is going, because there's just always so much truth and wisdom and nuggets of wisdom for our community, so I'm so grateful for you. Thank you for being here and sharing your story.
Elisa: Thank you so much for having me again, and yes, let's chat again in a year's time and see what happens then. Maybe I'll be levitating, I don't know.
