#awinewith Elisa Choy
MEET Elisa Choy, Founder of Quantum Energy Shift
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Transcript
Danielle Lewis: Anyway… Elisa! Oh my god, we made it! Yes! How are you? Welcome to Spark TV!
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Elisa Choy: Oh, thank you! Thank you for having me, it's so exciting to be here.
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Danielle Lewis: I am so excited. All of the chats we have had have been absolutely incredible, so I'm just so excited and inspired to bring them to the Spark community, so thank you, this is gonna be fun!
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Elisa Choy: Well, let's spark something special!
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Danielle Lewis: Oh my god, I love you already. In with the puns. Let's start out by telling everyone who you are and what you do.
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Elisa Choy: My name is Elisa Choi, I'm an economist turned energy coach, so I now do energy healing through hypnosis, quantum hypnosis. So I help people connect to their subconscious part of themselves to answer questions about their life.
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Elisa Choy: So it's actually not that different to what I used to do. I used to answer questions about, you know, the economy, people, culture, society, trends, and I used data, which was, I guess, hard data, and I used AI as my tool. Now, I'm answering questions about people's lives rather than businesses, and I'm also using a different data set, which is the subconscious quantum part of our dimension.
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Elisa Choy: And then I'm using hypnosis as my method. So, I'm still finding answers, but this time around, I think it's really…
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Elisa Choy: more meaningful, because I get to see the shifts that people can encounter through these experiences, and so that's what I do now. But I'm still an economist and a data person at heart.
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Danielle Lewis: I love it so much. Now, what the hell is quantum hypnosis for anyone who is listening and going, what are you talking about?
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Elisa Choy: Yeah, so hypnosis, we all get an idea of what it is. It's not the big stage, look at me, look at me, turn into a chicken, you know, bark like a dog. That's…
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Elisa Choy: That is, I guess, you know, the hyped version of what it is, but essentially, it's just guided meditation to get people down to a level of consciousness state just before sleep.
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Elisa Choy: So, as a hypnotherapist, somebody just takes you through the many layers of consciousness.
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Elisa Choy: down to a level called theta, and theta, if you've ever heard of it, like, anyone who's in the theta zone, that's when you manifest, that's when you enter the quantum dimension. So, if you're into any of this stuff, and you hear words bandy around, everyone has heard of manifest.
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Elisa Choy: When you're in a theta section of your consciousness, that's where the juicy stuff happens. And so, as a quantum hypnotherapy person, which is what I… I take people down to that juicy theta.
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Elisa Choy: And then we can answer questions where we can connect with their subconscious part of themselves. So quantum just means it's that sort of dimension of, where there is no time and no space, everything is infinite possibilities.
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Elisa Choy: It's also the font of wisdom and healing. So, in a quantum healing sense, that's where we enter. There's also the word quantum in quantum computing or quantum physics.
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Elisa Choy: that's got a similar sort of… there's a little, I guess, link to what it means, but, really, quantum just means infinite possibilities, and that's where the word abundance comes in.
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Elisa Choy: And I know everyone's heard of the word abundance.
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Danielle Lewis: Well, I think what's really interesting, by just listening to you sort of taking us through that, is you're right, people have heard manifest, have heard Abundance.
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Danielle Lewis: And whilst they are fantastic, they do feel a little bit surface level, and I think that oftentimes people get a little bit stuck on
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Danielle Lewis: what am I supposed to manifest? What is abundance to me? And I just feel like you potentially have this ability to… and you started with answering questions.
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Danielle Lewis: So I just feel like there's more to the story here, where it's, you know, how do we go deeper into ourselves to understand what we actually, truly want in the first place, and then how do we get there?
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Elisa Choy: That's right. So, a lot of us, I guess, we've operated from the mind, the conscious mind, which is that sort of mushy part in our head.
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Elisa Choy: Right? Which is really influenced by what we know in this lifetime.
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Elisa Choy: Now, underneath, I call the subconscious part of us, we have both at play all the time, but we tend to lead too much with the conscious mind, our left brain, our logical brain, our right, our, you know, whatever we touch and feel and smell is real. But really, there's a lot of stuff that happens in our behavior, our patterns, why we do certain things, why certain things happen in our lives, that can't be answered in the conscious mind.
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Elisa Choy: And that's where, I guess, talk therapy, like your typical talking to a psychologist or a therapist, that's conscious mind to conscious mind trying to decrypt something that's going on, which has its great place.
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Elisa Choy: Because it helps you understand, oh, what are my fears? What are my patterns? What are all the things that are happening? But it doesn't sometimes shift
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Elisa Choy: that, because you know, for example, I need to lose weight, I need to not drink too much alcohol, I need to go and do that business idea, I need to… I want to, I want to, and I know why, I have this fear, I can describe it until, you know, the cows come home. I know the tools I need, I know when it triggers me, I know I know, I talk about it for, like, forever.
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Elisa Choy: But… it's still there.
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Elisa Choy: And so.
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Danielle Lewis: Yeah. Sometime.
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Elisa Choy: That's the subconscious part. It's like, well, there's something that we need to uncover.
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Danielle Lewis: Yeah, there's a block. Yeah, there's…
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Elisa Choy: Good luck!
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Danielle Lewis: Yeah, knowing almost doesn't help.
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Elisa Choy: Knowing makes you more, I guess, upset about it, because at least you're not… you're not ignorant, which is bliss, you're actually now aware, which makes it harder, because you're like, oh, I really want to shift it, so…
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Elisa Choy: We've all been there, and so in this work, it's really helping people connect to that part of themselves. And so, people can already do that, by many methods, if you can meditate.
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Elisa Choy: very well, which I still find difficult, to be honest. Like, you know, or people go and do retreats, like ayahuasca retreats, to take some plant medicine, or they take mushrooms, or, you know, all the different things to psychedelically get them there.
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Elisa Choy: But hypnosis is a gentler way to get you through to that state, and when you do it through a hypnotherapy session, I become the person that can help guide and ask questions of your subconscious self and have that conversation.
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Elisa Choy: With you, with the other part of you. So, you know, I call it a gentle and effective way to shift and release blocks, and help understand trauma, for example.
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Elisa Choy: Like, we have a lot of stuff that happens in our life. Talking about it, you know, this happened in my childhood, this happened to my relationship.
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Elisa Choy: That's great.
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Elisa Choy: But sometimes you need to move on from it.
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Elisa Choy: And you don't know how to heal without understanding, why did that happen to me?
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Danielle Lewis: Mmm…
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Elisa Choy: And sometimes, in this work, there is an answer from a past life, not from
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Elisa Choy: current life, and you can access those answers through the subconscious self in hypnosis. That's why I love it! It's just the font of all answers.
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Danielle Lewis: Oh my god, this is incredible. And it's just so fascinating how, of course, you know, sometimes just that talking and that surface level, and the, you know, being aware of the problem, like, no wonder we have such blocks in trying to make things happen. I'm using air quotes for anyone who's listening to this.
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Danielle Lewis: You know, we're trying to make things happen, but, you know.
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Danielle Lewis: oftentimes there is just this huge invisible block, and you lie there in bed, speaking from personal experience, and just going, why can't I take that action? Like, I can look at my to-do list and go, I know, if I do this, this, and this, it's going to get me to the thing I want. But can you… like, I can't… some days, you just can't even do the things that you know you've got to do. So, there are these huge invisible blocks in our lives.
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Danielle Lewis: I mean, having a tool like this that can help remove those just sounds wild.
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Elisa Choy: Yeah, and there's always a beautiful story that accompanies why you're doing something or not doing something. Typical one is fear for women, typical one is fear to be heard, or fear to be seen.
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Danielle Lewis: Yes, absolutely. And so that stops us from actually stepping into who we really want to be.
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Elisa Choy: Now, in this process, there's been countless examples where women who come in, they have a fear to do something, it comes from a past life. And there's been occasions where their past life, they were persecuted for speaking.
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Danielle Lewis: They were persecuted because they were…
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Elisa Choy: Burnt at the stake in some era, way, way, way long ago.
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Elisa Choy: which is carrying through now. So what we do is, in the hypnosis session, they explore that life.
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Elisa Choy: And we explore what happened to that person, and then that's why you've got this fear of speaking out in this life, and then we address it at the source, and we go, okay, we don't need to have that carry through, do we? We can actually move on from that point in time. It's not relevant for this person's life in this lifetime, is it?
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Elisa Choy: And then we shift it. And it's done.
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Elisa Choy: Far out. Right.
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Danielle Lewis: So how did you, I'm…
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Danielle Lewis: wildly fascinated how you went from economist to quantum hypnotherapist. Like, talk me through what happened to get you from A to B, or A to Z.
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Elisa Choy: Wow.
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Elisa Choy: It's… it's actually been a journey. If I look back.
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Elisa Choy: I… and this is… I'm really zooming back here now. It's not a… it's not only just my story, I feel that there's a lot of, particularly women, in their 40s and 50s, who are now coming to their ripeness.
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Danielle Lewis: To step into who they were always going to be.
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Elisa Choy: But we had to go through all these other things to get to here.
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Elisa Choy: And so, that's point one. There's, like, a bigger, almost planetary shift that is outside of us.
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Elisa Choy: That have, has directed us all to this focal point of healing with energy.
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Elisa Choy: But my background has always been, you know, business, strategy, data, accounting, finance, all the, you know, we call it the yang sort of style, there's yin and yang. The yang, which is the masculine essence of go do, produce.
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Elisa Choy: Be ambitious. Be competitive. Achieve.
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Elisa Choy: output, output. We've all grown to be that, or I have at least, and value that as success. And that's also been a theme much wider than me, but through all of society for thousands of years.
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Elisa Choy: And so, we're now looking at rebalancing the yin and the yang, and the yin is the feminine side of us.
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Elisa Choy: Which is the intuitive, the collaborative, the soft, the healing, the, you know, the creation. Women.
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Elisa Choy: mothers, we create life. So, that element of masculine and feminine, which we all have in us.
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Elisa Choy: is now going to be rebalanced through this point in time. So I'm no different, I'm just sort of following along what the bigger construct is happening, but from my journey from economist to, energy work.
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Elisa Choy: It's actually been about 7-8 years, and that really came about from 2018. I had what I call a Hiroshima moment.
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Elisa Choy: Which is when a bomb came out of nowhere and just, like, decimated everything in my life. So, within the space of a month.
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Elisa Choy: I, I had my relationship of 10 years break down, and we had children. We had a burglar in our house, like a physical burglar. I know that's random, but that happened.
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Danielle Lewis: Yeah.
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Elisa Choy: I ended my corporate career of 16 years. I was in a big job at Woolworths, which was killing me, unbeknownst to me. And I also lost my voice. Like, so for me, losing my voice is my essence. My voice is my expression.
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Elisa Choy: And my voice, knowing what I know in my past lives, is I've always used my voice to teach
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Elisa Choy: to share, you know, my voice is me. So losing my voice was very significant, and all of that happened, boom.
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Elisa Choy: Within a month. And then within 6 months, I developed rheumatoid arthritis at the age of 38. So that's the old Justin's quickly disease, where my joints were swollen, I couldn't get out of bed, I was in intense pain, constantly around the clock.
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Danielle Lewis: Wow. I was burnt out, and my body just…
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Elisa Choy: gave out. It was like, you have no choice done.
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Danielle Lewis: You know, I've told my Wow!
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Elisa Choy: So that forced me, I guess, into resetting and re-evaluating everything.
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Danielle Lewis: Mmm…
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Elisa Choy: And some people have those big moments in their life to give them a wake-up call, but it's also a choice whether you want to reset or you continue to go pedal and
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Elisa Choy: you know, push it uphill. So… so that started then, but also, too, it was a confluence of other things. I started several businesses on my own.
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Elisa Choy: My latest being Maven Data, which was an AI-powered strategic market research business, multi-award winning, you know, known for predicting accurately trends in market, and I became an election whisperer because I accurately predicted elections in the US,
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Elisa Choy: and Australia. Then did all the rounds, and my reputation was all data, data, AI, and I was explaining AI before AI existed.
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Elisa Choy: It existed, but not everyone knew what it was.
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Danielle Lewis: Yes.
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Elisa Choy: So, but the business was… it went really well, and then it went really quiet. And so, you know, there was almost a moment where I could continue to push, push shit uphill.
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Danielle Lewis: Mmm.
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Elisa Choy: But it wasn't flowing anymore. I wasn't getting clients as easily, and to the point where it was absolutely blatantly obvious, I had, the heights of success of predicting the election in 2020, when Morrison lost.
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Danielle Lewis: Wow.
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Elisa Choy: and the teal independent wave came through, and I predicted that. No one saw that coming. At the height of that press and that sort of brand awareness.
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Elisa Choy: But then… and then I had, like, 8 different client leads come through.
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Elisa Choy: Great pipeline, but then none of them closed.
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Danielle Lewis: Not one.
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Elisa Choy: And I am the person that can sell rice to the Chinese. So for me, 0 out of 8 was a real sign to say, that door shut.
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Danielle Lewis: Wow.
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Elisa Choy: not your door anymore. No matter what I did, I couldn't make it happen, right? So that's… and that's happened a few times in my life, actually, when the doors really shut.
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Elisa Choy: So, that, again, forced me to then look at what else should I be doing that's not data, that's not AI, because clearly this is not the channel for me.
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Elisa Choy: And then that's when I started getting into… I don't know how it started, but…
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Elisa Choy: Someone handed me a book, which was, Between Life and Death.
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Danielle Lewis: Mmm, okay.
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Elisa Choy: And it's about… it's a hypnotherapist named Michael Newton that, over the course of his career, he took people down into… in hypnotherapy for normal things, like, you know, everyday things, but then people would recount similar stories of how they would pass over.
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Elisa Choy: So, it's in the stories about, you know, when you die, you get greeted by a soul, and then you go to the soul… soul worlds, where there's all these different grades of souls.
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Elisa Choy: Now, people were saying the same things, that they didn't know each other, and so he's kind of figured out there's a pattern here, there's a truth behind all this, and he wrote a book called Between Life and Death.
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Danielle Lewis: And that opened my mind, because it was like, well, there's so much beyond what we know in our conscious mind, what we've learnt.
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Elisa Choy: what we've accumulated and experienced is… it's so vast that it just piqued my interest and blew up from there. So from then, I started reading into,
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Elisa Choy: you know, consciousness, raising awareness, the metaphysical healing modes, all the things. And also, mind you, I was also… I was, you know, going through rheumatoid arthritis. So that, in parallel, forced me to heal, and I tried so many different healing modalities.
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Elisa Choy: So many, from the Western to the Eastern, from the legal to the illegal. I did everything…
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Danielle Lewis: Wow. Where I'd figure out what would work.
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Elisa Choy: And ultimately, my rheumatoid arthritis came from having to acknowledge my trauma from my childhood, my relationship with my mother.
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Danielle Lewis: Wow.
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Elisa Choy: So, and I had the benefit of so many different healers who have been my teachers, who've all taught me little bits and pieces, so over a period of 7 years, when I was really, really sick, couldn't work, critically ill,
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Elisa Choy: To daily injections, not daily, sorry, weekly injections, just to keep my immune system, you know, not flairy. To get over to the other side, get off all the meds, and do a triathlon.
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Danielle Lewis: Oh my god!
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Elisa Choy: That was my journey.
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Danielle Lewis: Wow!
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Elisa Choy: That was 7 years for me, and I've learned all of this, and in that time, I opened more and more and more.
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Elisa Choy: to this other way of being. So, I'm now an energy coach because I want to teach people
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Elisa Choy: the skills that I have adopted over my 7 years. It shouldn't take 7 years now, so it's not a random.
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Danielle Lewis: I don't have that time, sorry.
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Elisa Choy: No one's got time, but it's got the time it needs to take. So, and I see that, so the door closed with AI work. I wasn't feeling it anymore. I wasn't really enjoying the interactions with my clients, to be honest. That sort of transactional.
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Elisa Choy: it wasn't meaningful to me, and I liked… I wanted to do something new, and then I started entertaining this idea, and I got onto Dolores Cannon.
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Elisa Choy: Who was… is the godmother of this hypnotherapy, and she ex… she's in her 40-year career.
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Elisa Choy: Her story was that she was actually the hypnotherapist sidekick of her husband.
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Elisa Choy: who worked for the US Army.
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Elisa Choy: And he was doing hypnotherapy on soldiers who had PTSD.
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Danielle Lewis: Oh, wow.
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Elisa Choy: Then he got into a serious accident where he became either a quadriplegic or a paraplegic, so then she continued his work.
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Elisa Choy: With 4 young children.
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Danielle Lewis: Wow.
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Elisa Choy: Midwest of the US, this is, like, 40 years ago. So over time, she took on what was initially hypnotherapy to now what she's called QHHT, Quantum Healing Hypnosis Technique.
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Elisa Choy: Because she's found that through, tweaking, tweaking, she could get deeper and deeper, and then at one point, she realized that people were accessing past lives, and even experiences on UFOs when they were abducted. And this is all in the 80s!
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Danielle Lewis: This is wild!
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Elisa Choy: It was all in the 80s and 90s, right? Where people were like, are UFOs real or not? Well, let me tell you, they are real, and there are extraterrestrials that interact with us. They have been for a long time. So, if you start, sort of, scratching the surface of this lost knowledge.
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Danielle Lewis: Mmm.
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Elisa Choy: 20-plus books about this stuff, where all the stuff that she's learnt through hypnotising people in sessions
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Elisa Choy: She's got a series on Nostradamus, where she's connected with someone who connected to a student of Nostradamus back in the day.
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Elisa Choy: in a series on Jesus and the Essenes, somebody who was in that Jesus time, where he was a real person and living, you know. The whole series on how the earth was seeded.
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Elisa Choy: You start reading this stuff, and this is collation of information from thousands of people.
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Elisa Choy: We don't know each other.
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Elisa Choy: But the information is coming from this source, which is the quantum dimension.
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Elisa Choy: Right? So, she developed this ability to get deeper, and then past life exploration to heal people.
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Elisa Choy: Right, you can't say the word hill, though, in this modern age. You can see.
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Elisa Choy: I believe physical discomfort.
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Elisa Choy: We can't say certain things, so you know what? We just quietly do our thing. So I stumbled across that, and I was really interested in learning to become a practitioner, and I myself had to go through it, and be hypnotized, and experience it, and ask that question of my subconscious.
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Elisa Choy: So, and there's a beautiful sort of experience I had in my hypnosis sessions, where the messages that came through to me by my subconscious was very much fitting to how I needed to receive it. So, for example.
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Elisa Choy: Going from economist to energy healer is almost like… Unheard of, right?
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Elisa Choy: changing identity, who do you… like, the brain was going, conscious mind, going, who do you think you are? You're not a psychologist, you don't know how to deal with people's lives. You're a business person, you're a numbers person, what's all this woo-woo, hippy-dippy stuff, blah blah blah. That chatter was going off really loud. And then there was other, oh, you've built your reputation as this, you know, you've done this beautiful thing, and who are you, like, now going off into the wilderness, like, chatter, chatter, chatter.
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Elisa Choy: It's something was pulling me towards it. Couldn't explain why. And so, I did a session, and in my own session.
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Elisa Choy: There was one particular scene I experienced where I was green slime in a pipe. Not all past live exploration is human, just so.
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Elisa Choy: No, most people have what we call boring lives, and you know, everyday run-of-the-mill.
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Elisa Choy: digging potatoes lies, which is what Dolores says. So… but in some instances, people do travel off to other dimensions, or become abstract things, and I have become abstract things in my past life experiences. So, I was green slime in a pipe.
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Elisa Choy: In that moment, the message to me was… and I've had a few of these in that session where I transformed. The message was, Elisa, you can always transform from one mode, one form into another.
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Danielle Lewis: you know, even your description of being an economist, and in data, and not feeling it, and in AI, and boring, boring, like, that was… you're, like, living out the green slime version of your life.
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Elisa Choy: Exactly right. I was bored, I really was bored, and I really wasn't feeling it, and it wasn't bringing me joy anymore.
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Elisa Choy: But not anymore. And so the… and I'm actually glad that, the universe closed all those doors, because if I had those 8 accounts
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Danielle Lewis: Wow. And isn't that wild how some… I'm sure there are people who would actually have interpreted that, and they're probably going through something in their life, where they've gone, well, obviously I'm crap, and I've failed, and I've… and they're not actually going, what is this trying to tell me?
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Elisa Choy: Yeah, that's right. That's where the ego comes in and says, oh, I did something wrong, I didn't deserve these clients, I wasn't smart enough, did I price it wrong? Like, you know, it's… but actually, if you go through a process where you realize your ego is just that tiny part of you that, it has its role, but
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Elisa Choy: In the bigger picture, your soul's purpose is much bigger than this moment in time.
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Elisa Choy: So, finding out why… why certain big things have happened has really been a big question that people come to see me for. And doing it through this process, where the answer actually comes from your subconscious, not from me. I'm not telling you the answer. I'm just facilitating a conversation with your subconscious.
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Elisa Choy: And so, when we go into processes, we can understand why did this happen to this person? And there's a really big story.
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Elisa Choy: There's a beautiful story, and sometimes it's like, understanding what that story is gives you that pace.
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Elisa Choy: And the reason why you had that moment was to bring you to this moment. And then that usually leads to this sole purpose question, which is, now, you know, now you've been through all of these things, so that you can be more effective in your next thing.
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Elisa Choy: So, when you say, going back to the question of economist to… Energy work.
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Elisa Choy: My role is actually to help and be a bridge to help people cross the bridge from where they were in corporate, professional.
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Elisa Choy: to align to what they should be doing. And usually, by about 40, 50, you know, they will feel a burning desire to do something more. They're like, it's got to be more to life than this.
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Danielle Lewis: Yeah, and it's interesting, so as you've been describing the whole story, the biggest question I had was, how do we get people to potentially see through the woo-woo?
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Danielle Lewis: You know, I'm huge woo-woo, love the woo-woo, but I know it's a real barrier for some people. They just go, no, that's too much, that's too wild, that's too crazy, but what you just said.
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Danielle Lewis: it starts with that, there's gotta be something more. There has to be. And I think that there are so many people who are just going through life, ticking the boxes, and waking up in the morning going, you are kidding me. How did I get here? Is this it?
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Elisa Choy: Yeah, that's… and it's usually around, I'd say, for our generations, in our 40s.
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Elisa Choy: Because we've done the things we wanted to do, we know ourselves quite well, we know what we're good at, we know what we don't like, we know all the things, we've got the children, all the family, or not, we've made our decisions.
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Elisa Choy: How can we bring a little bit of peace and joy into every day, into our little world? And that can become your chosen reality, is a new term, chosen reality.
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Elisa Choy: I am from an economist data background, so that I know how to speak to people like me.
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Danielle Lewis: So it doesn't sound woo-woo, it doesn't sound like Marion with Jarrah.
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Danielle Lewis: You know, oftentimes when people say something's too woo-woo, or too, oh my god, that's too out there, it's too wild for me, that in and of itself is just another excuse not to live up to your true potential, not to take that bold step.
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Danielle Lewis: You know, it's just another way to say that… that fulfillment, that life isn't for me.
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Danielle Lewis: Well, how big a sacrifice is it sometimes to… when you choose the life that you want, oftentimes it means sacrificing the life you have?
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Elisa Choy: It's a different perspective on looking at the same thing, and, you know, if you study or listen to a couple of these sages and philosophy, and lots of people have opened up my perspective on looking at the same thing, right?
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Elisa Choy: It's an energy equation, so then I talked to them about that. But the second part is the burning desire to do something more than this, you know?
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Elisa Choy: Life is going to be more than this. Now, then that can throw out a lot of things, going, well, then that means I give up this job that I hate. That means that I don't have the money for this house that I really think is too big, to be honest.
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Danielle Lewis: But I feel like they just go, yeah, but I just spent the last 40 to 50 years getting here, and you're telling me that it's all for nothing?
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Danielle Lewis: But you did say something earlier that I loved, which was that is what got you to the next step. You know, it's not in vain, it wasn't not worth it. Every opportunity and experience is preparing you and leading you to the next thing. And if we can get this quantum bridge to get us there faster, imagine if the next 40 to 50 years was absolutely infinitely incredible, rather than just more of the same.
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Elisa Choy: That's right. And also, I find that it's actually not a radical difference in what you're going to be doing, whatever it is. So, you may feel it's different. Being an economist to an NG coach.
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Elisa Choy: And I'm still using a scientific method. It's not like, you know, woo-woo. There is actual practitioner, you know, guides and how we do the things. It's an art and a science. As with anything we do, there's art and science. And so, it's not that far off removed. If I became, like, a baker.
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Elisa Choy: You know, so, but the beautiful thing is, I am more effective doing this now than if I had picked it up in my 20s, because I've had life experience, I've had my Hiroshima moments, I've had, you know, things that are relatable, that gives me beautiful context.
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Danielle Lewis: all of the times in my life where I've known something has been right, it has been a feeling, not a logical decision. It has been, oh my god, I'm so excited by this idea, or this change, or this opportunity.
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Elisa Choy: You don't logically go, I should fall in love with that person, gosh, how many times have I said to myself, if only I could have a feeling for you? Because on paper.
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Elisa Choy: You're an amazing person!
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Danielle Lewis: Check in all the boxes!
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Elisa Choy: But I have no feeling towards you, you know what I mean? So there's that, again, everyone can relate to that. Everyone can relate to that. And then when you actually work in this area, very big question people ask is, why do I have a… do I have a sole contract with my husband, or do I have… I can't.
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Danielle Lewis: the contract.
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Elisa Choy: with my child, or my mother, or my… Now, the answer is that most of the time, you do, which means.
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Danielle Lewis: to me.
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Elisa Choy: You chose them to play your mother, or your brother, or your partner, or your sister in order for you to learn something off each other in this lifetime. It was preordained before you came
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Elisa Choy: into this life. And most likely or not, you are actually in a past life together in some other relationship format.
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Elisa Choy: to learn some other lesson, probably the same lesson. And if you don't learn that lesson in this life, you all do it again!
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Danielle Lewis: Hmm…
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Elisa Choy: So how does that happen magically? Well, when these people come into your life.
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Elisa Choy: you don't logically go, oh, I should love that person, or whatever. It just happens. When you come in as a child.
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Elisa Choy: the parents are there, like, chosen. It's all, you know, it's not random, it's actually quite magically, I'd say, orchestrated.
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Danielle Lewis: Mmm.
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Elisa Choy: a purpose.
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Danielle Lewis: So, if somebody's listening to this, and they're feeling like, oh my god, I have that feeling, I want something more, I know I'm destined for something more, I'm feeling stuck, I feel like I know what it is.
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Danielle Lewis: Are there things that they should do today, or should they just get in touch with you and, like, just get this sorted out?
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Elisa Choy: Well, if they're anyone like me, I would just say straight up, come and do a session, because it is the… it's a gentle way to find the answers, it's efficient.
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Danielle Lewis: Mmm.
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Elisa Choy: effective. So, there are ways for you to try and tap into your subconscious. You can do it through meditation, you can do, psychedelic sessions, you can do breath work, you can do singing bowls, you can do crystal healing, you can do all the things, right? But I have found that, having someone else help me get there
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Elisa Choy: is more efficient, and also, it's quite a deep session. It goes for a couple of hours, half a day at least. So, you know, to get to that level of insight and experiencing that level of past life exploration, we need to take you to a deep level of consciousness.
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Elisa Choy: It's not just, come in for 45 minutes and I'll do a Reiki on you.
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Elisa Choy: than that. So, that's why I'm doing this.
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Elisa Choy: Because I know it works, and it's the most efficient way, and it's got effective results. So, for someone who says, yes, I've got this block, I know, I want to know what it is, I want to remove the block.
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Elisa Choy: come and see me, and I call it rewiring the back end of your mind.
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Elisa Choy: You don't have to do anything, you just lie down and really have a deeply relaxing experience.
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Danielle Lewis: That sounds right up my alley at the moment, yeah.
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Elisa Choy: You know, so if you… and you don't need to come see me, like, regularly. This is the thing, like, you know, when you're serious, and you really want to get into it, you come and see me.
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Elisa Choy: And we'll get into it.
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Danielle Lewis: Oh my god, this is so good. Now, I could talk to you all day, but…
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Danielle Lewis: We've talked zero business and all life today. Oh, really?
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Danielle Lewis: absolutely love. No, but I love that. It's always a choose-your-own-adventure on these podcasts, but what I'm gonna do is ask you the same question that I ask everybody to wrap up. So, reflecting on your time in business, and I would say reflecting on your transition as well between career to business.
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Danielle Lewis: What would be a piece of advice that you would give to another woman on her business journey?
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Elisa Choy: Oh my gosh, that's just too broad. A piece of advice.
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Danielle Lewis: You're like, we have to start all over again!
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Elisa Choy: I know,
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Elisa Choy: You know, to be honest, I'm not just about plugging myself and all that, to be honest, it's about to find a way to tap into your own answers from within. So, with my modality, it's your subconscious self through hypnosis.
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Elisa Choy: As soon as you can get that confirmation and clarity within yourself, it doesn't matter.
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Danielle Lewis: Everything else just falls in, because…
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Elisa Choy: for me, it's like missing that guiding post. Having that inkling is not strong enough. Having that confirmation and the deep clarity
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Elisa Choy: That actually is, it saves me time and effort and energy in the wrong direction when I have my clarity.
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Elisa Choy: And so, I would say, you know, do this process.
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Elisa Choy: I wish I knew earlier.
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Elisa Choy: But I didn't. But that's okay, because I understand what the fumbles and the foils are of not being in that clarity. I do now have clarity. So, I think clarity is such a gift, because it gives you focus, and it gives you confidence. And for women, 100%, we all need to get rid of the doubt.
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Danielle Lewis: So anything that can help us with clarity and focus and confidence.
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Elisa Choy: I'd love to… I'd love to help, because once women can all get their shit sorted, oh my goodness, the world will transform!
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Danielle Lewis: Oh my god, that is so true, and I just couldn't agree with you more. When you have clarity, when you have focus, when you have confidence, business feels easy, which…
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Elisa Choy: And it should be fun!
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Danielle Lewis: Yeah, it should be fun! Let's bring back the fun!
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Elisa Choy: It's a lot of fun! It's a choice, though, right? So, you either choose to choose the fun, or you choose the hamster wheel. But it's a choice.
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Danielle Lewis: Absolutely.
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Elisa Choy: It's gonna be more to life than this!
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Danielle Lewis: You are incredible, Alisa. Thank you so much for being here today and sharing your journey and your story and your wisdom with the Spark community. That was absolutely incredible, and hopefully we've helped bring a little bit more clarity to the women in this community.
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Elisa Choy: Well, how about I give you an offer for anybody who's heard this, beautiful interview between us? Thank you, Daniel, for having me on. How about I give a beautiful Spark discount for Spark people?
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Danielle Lewis: Do it, yeah! We want, we want discounts, yes, please?
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Elisa Choy: Discounts? Yeah, so how about a 20% discount? So, you know, if you hear this, and you're interested and come and see me, your only thing is you need to see me in person. You can't do it by Zoom, so it's a Sydney thing. Mention this, and I'll give you a 20% discount.
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Danielle Lewis: You are incredible. I will pop a link to all of your things, under this podcast and that note, so that anyone listening in can access that and access you. Thank you for being so generous, that's incredible.
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Elisa Choy: You're welcome! You're welcome. Thank you for having me, and thank you for listening. It's been lovely spending time with you.
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Danielle Lewis: Oh, so good! And we will just cut it right there. You are amazing. Let me hit stop.
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