#awinewith Elisa Choy: quantum hypnosis, burnout and finding the clarity to change your life
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What happens when a multi-award-winning economist who accurately predicted elections with AI walks away from it all to become a quantum hypnotherapist? In this episode Elisa Choy, founder of Quantum Energy Shift, shares how burnout, rheumatoid arthritis and a run of slammed-shut doors forced her to rebuild her life and career from the subconscious up, and why she believes clarity is the single most valuable asset a woman in business can have.
What is quantum hypnosis, actually?
Forget the stage-show version. Elisa describes it as guided meditation that takes you to the theta brainwave state, the level of consciousness just before sleep, where a practitioner can facilitate a conversation with your subconscious. "Quantum just means infinite possibilities," she explains. "It's the font of wisdom and healing." Sessions run for hours, not minutes, and the goal is answers: why you do what you do, and what's actually holding you back.
Why doesn't knowing your blocks make them go away?
This might be the most relatable part of the conversation for any founder. You know exactly what's on your to-do list, you know why you're avoiding it, and you still can't do it. Elisa's take: talk therapy works conscious mind to conscious mind, and awareness alone doesn't shift the block. "Knowing makes you more upset about it, because now you're aware, which makes it harder." The shift, she says, happens when you feel and embody the change rather than just understand it: "The feeling is actually what gets you over the line."
How do you know when a door has closed in your business?
At the height of her press coverage, after correctly predicting the 2022 election result, Elisa had eight qualified client leads in her pipeline. None of them closed. "I am the person that can sell rice to the Chinese. So for me, zero out of eight was a real sign to say: that door shut." Instead of reading it as failure, she read it as redirection, and she's honest that ego wants to make it mean you priced it wrong or weren't smart enough. Sometimes the pipeline going quiet is the data.
Is changing your life really a sacrifice?
Danielle asks the question so many women sit with: if you choose the life you want, don't you have to give up the life you built? Elisa, ever the economist, rejects the premise. "If you use the word sacrifice, it means you have to lose. That's a zero-sum equation, and that's not the way quantum works. Do you call it a sacrifice, or do you call it an opportunity for growth?" She also points out her leap was smaller than it looks: she still answers questions with data. The dataset changed.
Elisa's one piece of advice for women in business
Find a way to tap into your own answers from within. For Elisa the modality is hypnosis, but the principle is bigger than any one method: an inkling isn't strong enough to act on, and deep clarity saves you time, effort and energy spent in the wrong direction. "Clarity is such a gift, because it gives you focus, and it gives you confidence."
And a generous one for SPARK listeners: Elisa offers 20% off a session when you mention this podcast. She sees clients in person in Sydney.
Meet Elisa Choy, Founder of Quantum Energy Shift
Elisa Choy is an economist and former AI market researcher (her business Maven Data was multi-award winning and known for accurately predicting elections in the US and Australia), now founder of Quantum Energy Shift, where she works as an energy coach and quantum hypnotherapy practitioner helping people find answers, release blocks and recover from burnout.
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Full transcript
Danielle: Do I pronounce your name Elisa?
Elisa: Yes. Lisa with an E. Easy.
Danielle: I don't know why I was looking at it going, I thought it was Elisa, but now I'm questioning myself.
Elisa: That's what we do all the time, we doubt ourselves, don't we?
Danielle: Right? I should have just bloody backed myself. Anyway… Elisa! Oh my god, we made it! How are you? Welcome to Spark TV!
Elisa: Oh, thank you! Thank you for having me, it's so exciting to be here.
Danielle: I am so excited. All of the chats we have had have been absolutely incredible, so I'm just so excited and inspired to bring them to the Spark community. Thank you, this is gonna be fun!
Elisa: Well, let's spark something special!
Danielle: Oh my god, I love you already. In with the puns. Let's start out by telling everyone who you are and what you do.
Elisa: My name is Elisa Choy, I'm an economist turned energy coach, so I now do energy healing through hypnosis, quantum hypnosis. I help people connect to their subconscious part of themselves to answer questions about their life. So it's actually not that different to what I used to do. I used to answer questions about the economy, people, culture, society, trends, and I used data, which was I guess hard data, and I used AI as my tool. Now I'm answering questions about people's lives rather than businesses, and I'm also using a different data set, which is the subconscious quantum part of our dimension. And I'm using hypnosis as my method. So I'm still finding answers, but this time around I think it's really more meaningful, because I get to see the shifts that people can encounter through these experiences. That's what I do now. But I'm still an economist and a data person at heart.
Danielle: I love it so much. Now, what the hell is quantum hypnosis, for anyone who is listening and going, what are you talking about?
Elisa: Yeah, so hypnosis, we all get an idea of what it is. It's not the big stage, look at me, look at me, turn into a chicken, bark like a dog. That is, I guess, the hyped version of what it is. Essentially it's just guided meditation to get people down to a level of consciousness state just before sleep. As a hypnotherapist, somebody takes you through the many layers of consciousness down to a level called theta. And theta, if you've ever heard of it, anyone who's in the theta zone, that's when you manifest, that's when you enter the quantum dimension. If you're into any of this stuff, you hear these words bandied around, everyone has heard of manifest. When you're in a theta section of your consciousness, that's where the juicy stuff happens. And so as a quantum hypnotherapy person, I take people down to that juicy theta. And then we can answer questions, where we can connect with their subconscious part of themselves. Quantum just means it's that sort of dimension where there is no time and no space, everything is infinite possibilities. It's also the font of wisdom and healing. So in a quantum healing sense, that's where we enter. There's also the word quantum in quantum computing or quantum physics, and there's a little link to what it means there, but really quantum just means infinite possibilities, and that's where the word abundance comes in. And I know everyone's heard of the word abundance.
Danielle: Well, I think what's really interesting, just listening to you take us through that, is you're right, people have heard manifest, have heard abundance. And whilst they are fantastic, they do feel a little bit surface level, and I think that oftentimes people get a little bit stuck on: what am I supposed to manifest? What is abundance to me? And I just feel like you potentially have this ability to… and you started with answering questions. So I feel like there's more to the story here, where it's, how do we go deeper into ourselves to understand what we actually, truly want in the first place, and then how do we get there?
Elisa: That's right. A lot of us have operated from the mind, the conscious mind, which is that sort of mushy part in our head, which is really influenced by what we know in this lifetime. Now underneath, I call it the subconscious part of us, we have both at play all the time, but we tend to lead too much with the conscious mind, our left brain, our logical brain, our "whatever we touch and feel and smell is real". But really, there's a lot of stuff that happens in our behaviour, our patterns, why we do certain things, why certain things happen in our lives, that can't be answered in the conscious mind. And that's where talk therapy, your typical talking to a psychologist or a therapist, that's conscious mind to conscious mind trying to decrypt something that's going on, which has its great place. Because it helps you understand: what are my fears? What are my patterns? What are all the things that are happening? But it doesn't sometimes shift it. Because, for example: I need to lose weight, I need to not drink too much alcohol, I need to go and do that business idea. I want to, I want to, and I know why, I have this fear, I can describe it until the cows come home. I know the tools I need, I know when it triggers me, I know, I know, I talk about it forever. But… it's still there.
Danielle: Yeah.
Elisa: That's the subconscious part. It's like, well, there's something that we need to uncover.
Danielle: Yeah, there's a block. Knowing almost doesn't help.
Elisa: Knowing makes you more, I guess, upset about it. Because at least before you were ignorant, which is bliss. Now you're actually aware, which makes it harder, because you're like, oh, I really want to shift it. We've all been there. So in this work, it's really helping people connect to that part of themselves. And people can already do that by many methods, if you can meditate very well, which I still find difficult to be honest. Or people go and do retreats, ayahuasca retreats, take some plant medicine, or they take mushrooms, all the different things to psychedelically get them there. But hypnosis is a gentler way to get you through to that state. And when you do it through a hypnotherapy session, I become the person that can help guide and ask questions of your subconscious self, and have that conversation with you, with the other part of you. I call it a gentle and effective way to shift and release blocks, and help understand trauma, for example. We have a lot of stuff that happens in our life. Talking about it, you know, this happened in my childhood, this happened in my relationship, that's great. But sometimes you need to move on from it. And you don't know how to heal without understanding: why did that happen to me? And sometimes in this work there is an answer from a past life, not from the current life, and you can access those answers through the subconscious self in hypnosis. That's why I love it! It's just the font of all answers.
Danielle: Oh my god, this is incredible. And it's just so fascinating how, of course, sometimes just that talking and that surface level, being aware of the problem… no wonder we have such blocks in trying to make things happen. I'm using air quotes for anyone who's listening to this. We're trying to make things happen, but oftentimes there is just this huge invisible block, and you lie there in bed, speaking from personal experience, and just go: why can't I take that action? I can look at my to-do list and go, I know if I do this, this, and this, it's going to get me to the thing I want. But some days you just can't even do the things that you know you've got to do. There are these huge invisible blocks in our lives. I mean, having a tool like this that can help remove those just sounds wild.
Elisa: Yeah, and there's always a beautiful story that accompanies why you're doing something or not doing something. A typical one for women is fear. A typical one is fear to be heard, or fear to be seen.
Danielle: Yes, absolutely. And so that stops us from actually stepping into who we really want to be.
Elisa: Now, in this process, there have been countless examples where women come in, they have a fear to do something, and it comes from a past life. There have been occasions where in their past life they were persecuted for speaking, burnt at the stake in some era way, way long ago, which is carrying through now. So what we do in the hypnosis session is they explore that life. We explore what happened to that person, and that's why you've got this fear of speaking out in this life. Then we address it at the source, and we go, okay, we don't need to have that carry through, do we? We can actually move on from that point in time. It's not relevant for this person's life in this lifetime, is it? And then we shift it. And it's done.
Danielle: Far out. Right. So I'm wildly fascinated how you went from economist to quantum hypnotherapist. Talk me through what happened to get you from A to B, or A to Z.
Elisa: Wow. It's actually been a journey, if I look back. And I'm really zooming back here now. It's not only just my story, I feel that there are a lot of women, particularly in their 40s and 50s, who are now coming to their ripeness, to step into who they were always going to be. But we had to go through all these other things to get to here. So that's point one, there's a bigger, almost planetary shift that is outside of us that has directed us all to this focal point of healing with energy. But my background has always been business, strategy, data, accounting, finance. We call it the yang sort of style, there's yin and yang. The yang, which is the masculine essence of go, do, produce. Be ambitious. Be competitive. Achieve. Output, output. We've all grown to be that, or I have at least, and valued that as success. And that's been a theme much wider than me, through all of society for thousands of years. So we're now looking at rebalancing the yin and the yang, and the yin is the feminine side of us, which is the intuitive, the collaborative, the soft, the healing, the creation. Women, mothers, we create life. So that element of masculine and feminine, which we all have in us, is now going to be rebalanced through this point in time. I'm no different, I'm just following along with the bigger construct that's happening.
But from my journey, from economist to energy work, it's actually been about 7 or 8 years, and that really came about from 2018. I had what I call a Hiroshima moment, which is when a bomb came out of nowhere and just decimated everything in my life. Within the space of a month, I had my relationship of 10 years break down, and we had children. We had a burglar in our house, a physical burglar, I know that's random, but that happened. I ended my corporate career of 16 years, I was in a big job at Woolworths, which was killing me, unbeknownst to me. And I also lost my voice. For me, losing my voice is my essence. My voice is my expression. And my voice, knowing what I know from my past lives, I've always used my voice to teach, to share. My voice is me. So losing my voice was very significant. And all of that happened, boom, within a month. Then within 6 months I developed rheumatoid arthritis at the age of 38, where my joints were swollen, I couldn't get out of bed, I was in intense pain constantly, around the clock. I was burnt out, and my body just gave out. It was like: you have no choice, done.
Danielle: Wow.
Elisa: So that forced me, I guess, into resetting and re-evaluating everything. Some people have those big moments in their life to give them a wake-up call, but it's also a choice whether you want to reset, or you continue to pedal and push it uphill. So that started then. But also it was a confluence of other things. I started several businesses on my own, my latest being Maven Data, which was an AI-powered strategic market research business. Multi-award winning, known for accurately predicting trends in market, and I became an election whisperer because I accurately predicted elections in the US and Australia. I did all the rounds, and my reputation was all data, data, AI. I was explaining AI before everyone knew what it was. The business went really well, and then it went really quiet. And so there was almost a moment where I could continue to push it uphill, but it wasn't flowing anymore. I wasn't getting clients as easily, to the point where it was absolutely blatantly obvious. I'd had the heights of success predicting the 2022 election, when Morrison lost and the teal independent wave came through, and I predicted that, no one saw that coming. At the height of that press and that brand awareness, I had 8 different client leads come through. Great pipeline. And then none of them closed.
Danielle: Not one?
Elisa: And I am the person that can sell rice to the Chinese. So for me, 0 out of 8 was a real sign to say: that door shut. Not your door anymore. No matter what I did, I couldn't make it happen. And that's happened a few times in my life actually, when the doors really shut. So that, again, forced me to look at what else I should be doing that's not data, that's not AI, because clearly this is not the channel for me. And then that's when I started getting into… I don't know how it started, but someone handed me a book, which was Between Life and Death. It's by a hypnotherapist named Michael Newton. Over the course of his career, he took people down in hypnotherapy for normal, everyday things, but then people would recount similar stories of how they would pass over. Stories about how when you die, you get greeted by a soul, and then you go to the soul worlds, where there are all these different grades of souls. Now, people were saying the same things, and they didn't know each other. So he figured out there's a pattern here, there's a truth behind all this, and he wrote the book. And that opened my mind, because it was like, well, there's so much beyond what we know in our conscious mind. What we've learnt, accumulated and experienced… it's so vast. It piqued my interest and blew up from there. From then, I started reading into consciousness, raising awareness, the metaphysical healing modes, all the things.
And mind you, I was also going through rheumatoid arthritis. So that, in parallel, forced me to heal, and I tried so many different healing modalities. So many, from the Western to the Eastern, from the legal to the illegal. I did everything to figure out what would work. And ultimately, my rheumatoid arthritis came from having to acknowledge my trauma from my childhood, my relationship with my mother. I had the benefit of so many different healers who have been my teachers, who all taught me little bits and pieces. So over a period of 7 years I went from being really, really sick, couldn't work, critically ill, on weekly injections just to keep my immune system from flaring, to getting over to the other side, getting off all the meds, and doing a triathlon.
Danielle: Oh my god!
Elisa: That was my journey. That was 7 years for me, and I learned all of this, and in that time I opened more and more to this other way of being. So I'm now an energy coach because I want to teach people the skills that I have adopted over my 7 years. It shouldn't take 7 years now.
Danielle: I don't have that time, sorry!
Elisa: No one's got time, but it takes the time it needs to take. So the door closed with the AI work. I wasn't feeling it anymore. I wasn't really enjoying the interactions with my clients, to be honest, that sort of transactional thing, it wasn't meaningful to me. I wanted to do something new, and then I started entertaining this idea, and I got onto Dolores Cannon, who is the godmother of this hypnotherapy. In her 40-year career… her story was that she was actually the hypnotherapist sidekick of her husband, who worked for the US Army, and he was doing hypnotherapy on soldiers who had PTSD. Then he got into a serious accident where he became quadriplegic or paraplegic, so she continued his work, with 4 young children, in the Midwest of the US, 40-plus years ago. Over time she took what was initially hypnotherapy to what she called QHHT, Quantum Healing Hypnosis Technique. Through tweaking and tweaking she could get deeper and deeper, and at one point she realised people were accessing past lives, and even experiences on UFOs when they were abducted. And this is all in the 80s!
Danielle: This is wild!
Elisa: It was all in the 80s and 90s, right? Where people were like, are UFOs real or not? Well, let me tell you, they are real, and there are extraterrestrials that interact with us, they have been for a long time. So if you start scratching the surface of this lost knowledge… she wrote 20-plus books about this stuff, all the things she learnt through hypnotising people in sessions. She's got a series on Nostradamus, where she connected with someone who connected to a student of Nostradamus back in the day. A series on Jesus and the Essenes, from somebody who was in that time, where he was a real person and living. A whole series on how the earth was seeded, how humans came to be. You start reading this stuff, and this is a collation of information from thousands of people who don't know each other, but the information is coming from this source, which is the quantum dimension. So she developed this ability to get deeper, and then past life exploration to heal people. Although you can't say the word "heal" in this modern age.
Danielle: Oh, yes, of course.
Elisa: We can't say certain things, so you know what? We just quietly do our thing. So I stumbled across that, and I was really interested in learning to become a practitioner. And I myself had to go through it, be hypnotised, experience it, and ask that question of my subconscious: can I do this? And I had to do it twice, just to be sure.
Danielle: Of course.
Elisa: Just to be sure. And by the second one I was like, yep, I can do it. And there was a beautiful experience I had in my hypnosis sessions, where the messages that came through to me from my subconscious were very much fitting to how I needed to receive them. So for example, going from economist to energy healer is almost unheard of, right? Changing identity. The conscious mind was going: who do you think you are? You're not a psychologist, you don't know how to deal with people's lives. You're a business person, you're a numbers person, what's all this woo-woo hippy-dippy stuff, blah blah blah. That chatter was going off really loud. And then: oh, but you've built your reputation as this, you've done this beautiful thing, who are you to go off into the wilderness? Chatter, chatter, chatter. But there was that softer voice coming through going: no, no, no, I really don't enjoy doing that work anymore. I really don't. And I want to explore this other thing. There was a little curiosity, and it was a magnetic pull. Something was pulling me towards it, and I couldn't explain why.
So I did a session, and in my own session there was one particular scene I experienced where I was green slime in a pipe. Not all past life exploration is human, just so you know.
Danielle: Sure. This is wild, yeah.
Elisa: It is wild, right? Not all of it's human. Everyone wants to experience being Cleopatra or someone, but no, most people have what we call boring lives, everyday run-of-the-mill digging-potatoes lives, which is what Dolores says. But in some instances people do travel off to other dimensions, or become abstract things, and I have become abstract things in my past life experiences. So, I was green slime in a pipe. And the pipe was musty, and yuck, and boring. I was dead bored in that scene. I was green slime and it was: nope. Boring. Nothing was happening. And then fire came into the scene and transmuted the green slime into energy. And then I became this energy wave, and it went whoosh, and it moved really, really fast. I'm making hand signals for those who are listening only. In that moment, the message to me was, and I had a few of these in that session where I transformed: Elisa, you can always transform from one form into another. You can always transform, and you will be okay.
Danielle: And don't you think, even your description of being an economist, and in data, and not feeling it, and boring, boring… you were living out the green slime version of your life.
Elisa: Correct. Exactly right. I was bored, I really was bored, and I wasn't feeling it, and it wasn't bringing me joy anymore. But not anymore. And I'm actually glad the universe closed all those doors, because if those 8 accounts had dropped, I would have had a pipeline for the next couple of years of work. It didn't happen. It wasn't easy to accept, though. But now I look back and I go: I understand why. It had to be dramatic for me to change, just like my rheumatoid arthritis. I wasn't gonna rest and stop until I was forced to stop.
Danielle: Wow. And isn't that wild. I'm sure there are people who would have interpreted that differently, who are probably going through something in their life where they've gone: well, obviously I'm crap, and I've failed. And they're not actually going: what is this trying to tell me?
Elisa: Yeah, that's right. That's where the ego comes in and says: oh, I did something wrong, I didn't deserve these clients, I wasn't smart enough, did I price it wrong? But actually, if you go through a process where you realise your ego is just that tiny part of you, it has its role, but in the bigger picture, your soul's purpose is much bigger than this moment in time. So finding out why certain big things have happened has really been a big question that people come to see me for. And doing it through this process, the answer actually comes from your subconscious, not from me. I'm not telling you the answer, I'm just facilitating a conversation with your subconscious, who knows all the answers for you. That's a different level of therapy. And when you understand the bigger picture, it gives you that sense of understanding and peace. And then you can move on.
People come with trauma, for example. Lots of childhood trauma, physical abuse, sexual abuse, you name it. And they've talked, talked, talked about it. They know it, know it, know it. They're not saying they're a victim, but it's still holding them back in some way. So when we go into the process, we can understand why this happened to this person, and there's a really big story, a beautiful story. Sometimes understanding what that story is gives you the peace to move on. It was not you, at all. And the reason why you had that moment was to bring you to this moment. That usually leads to the soul purpose question, which is: now you've been through all of these things, so that you can be more effective in your next thing. So going back to the question of economist to energy work: my role is actually to be a bridge, to help people cross from where they were, corporate, professional, left-brain focused only, conscious-mind led only, to a more balanced whole brain. Heart and brain, body, mind, soul connection, to align to what they should be doing. And usually by about 40 or 50 they will feel a burning desire to do something more. They're like, there's got to be more to life than this. Whatever "this" is, there's nothing that gives them that sense of real purpose and fulfilment.
Danielle: Yeah. And it's interesting, as you've been describing the whole story, the biggest question I had was: how do we get people to potentially see through the woo-woo? I'm huge woo-woo, love the woo-woo, but I know it's a real barrier for some people. They just go: no, that's too much, that's too wild, that's too crazy. But what you just said, it starts with that "there's gotta be something more". There has to be. I think there are so many people who are just going through life ticking the boxes, and waking up in the morning going: you are kidding me. How did I get here? Is this it?
Elisa: Yeah. And it's usually, I'd say for our generations, in our 40s. Because we've done the things we wanted to do, we know ourselves quite well, we know what we're good at, we know what we don't like, we've got the children, the family, or not, we've made our decisions. Then there's something deeper that goes: I want to contribute meaningfully to society. I want to leave something behind that is more than this. And I'm seeing that a lot, particularly as the world is just in chaos: how can we bring a little bit of peace and joy into every day, into our little world? That can become your chosen reality, which is a new term, chosen reality. And I'm from an economist data background, so I know how to speak to people like me.
Danielle: So it doesn't sound woo-woo.
Elisa: Yes. I understand I need to appeal to the rational mind, to entice it with some curiosity and some wild stories. Just like how I was. And because I speak in that way, I can be more effective for that audience.
Danielle: Yeah. And it is interesting as well, I find, oftentimes when people say something's too woo-woo, or too "oh my god, that's too out there, too wild for me", that in and of itself is just another excuse not to live up to your true potential, not to take that bold step. It's just another way to say that fulfilment, that life, isn't for me.
Elisa: There are two parts to this. There's: what should I be doing? And then there's the other part: give me the courage, and remove the blocks, in order to step into it. Sometimes we get halfway, we know what we should be doing, but we can't get there.
Danielle: Well, how big a sacrifice is it sometimes? When you choose the life that you want, oftentimes it means sacrificing the life you have.
Elisa: Well, if you use the word sacrifice, it means you have to lose. That's the zero-sum equation, which is not the way that quantum is. In the energy world, there is no limit. So you don't have to sacrifice anything.
Danielle: Oh, I love that.
Elisa: It's a different perspective on looking at the same thing. If you study or listen to a couple of these sages and philosophies… lots of people have opened up my perspective on looking at the same thing. This is an accumulation of many years of reflection, and doing, and trying, and not doing. But you need that time and space to entertain it. The key thing is burnout is the big hook for me now, where people know burnout, so I talk to them about that, it's an energy equation. But the second part is the burning desire to do something more than this. Life is going to be more than this. Now, that can throw out a lot of things: well, that means I give up this job that I hate. That means I don't have the money for this house, which I really think is too big to be honest. Or it could be: I really just don't want to be in this relationship anymore, I want to be free. All the things. Do you call it a sacrifice, or do you call it an opportunity for growth? It's just how you frame it.
Danielle: Yeah. And I think stepping into the unknown is really scary for some people. Hate the house, hate the relationship, hate the job, hate all the things… you still worked your entire life to get them. So it's almost like this opportunity cost, and I feel like that is such a blocker for people. It is a risk, and the potential is wild, the potential for happiness and fulfilment. But I feel like they just go: yeah, but I just spent the last 40 to 50 years getting here, and you're telling me it's all for nothing? But you did say something earlier that I loved, which was: that is what got you to the next step. It's not in vain, it wasn't not worth it. Every opportunity and experience is preparing you and leading you to the next thing. And if we can get this quantum bridge to get us there faster, imagine if the next 40 to 50 years was absolutely infinitely incredible, rather than just more of the same.
Elisa: That's right. And also, I find that it's actually not a radical difference in what you're going to be doing, whatever it is. It may feel different. Being an economist to an energy coach feels different, but actually it's not. I'm still finding answers to people's questions. I now do it for people, not businesses. I'm still using data, it's just a different data set. And I'm still using a scientific method. It's not woo-woo, there are actual practitioner guides for how we do the things. It's an art and a science, as with anything we do. So it's not that far removed. If I became, like, a baker, then that would be like, okay…
Danielle: Ingredients! I went with data and ingredients.
Elisa: You know! But the beautiful thing is, I am more effective doing this now than if I had picked it up in my 20s. Because I've had life experience, I've had my Hiroshima moments, I've had things that are relatable, and that gives me beautiful context to hear and be with the clients that come through. Everything has its purpose. It's a beautiful journey. Life is just a series of choices and opportunities that present, and we have free will, so it's like Choose Your Own Adventure, those books.
Danielle: That takes me back, yes!
Elisa: And sometimes, most people have an idea of what they want, they really do, but they're kind of afraid to go there. That's where tapping into the subconscious part through a quantum session gives them that confidence, because they can hear it from themselves. And the second part, and this is actually the kicker: even though you hear it from your subconscious, the way it's presented to you in a quantum session is that you experience and feel it. You feel the freedom, you feel the joy, you feel and embody the state that you want to be going to. The feeling is actually what gets you over the line. Talking about it is one element, but when you go into a process where you're feeling and embodying that life, you are feeling it and hearing it in a different way. Your body hears it in itself. And that, to me, is the real kicker. That's what creates the shift.
Danielle: That's super interesting. It makes me reflect on all of the times in my life where I've known something was right, and it has been a feeling, not a logical decision. It has been: oh my god, I'm so excited by this idea, or this change, or this opportunity. That feeling in your stomach, the butterflies, whatever that is. It's never been "this is the logical next step". It's always been chasing that excitement, and that feeling, and that full-body experience.
Elisa: Correct. And a great way to bring that point home: who do you fall in love with? You don't logically go, I should fall in love with that person. Gosh, how many times have I said to myself, if only I could have a feeling for you! Because on paper, you're an amazing person!
Danielle: Ticking all the boxes!
Elisa: But I have no feeling towards you, you know what I mean? Everyone can relate to that. And when you work in this area, a very big question people ask is: do I have a soul contract with my husband, or my child, or my mother? Now, the answer is that most of the time you do, which means you chose them to play your mother, or your brother, or your partner, or your sister, in order for you to learn something off each other in this lifetime. It was preordained before you came into this life. And most likely you were actually in a past life together in some other relationship format, to learn some other lesson, probably the same lesson. And if you don't learn that lesson in this life, you do it all again! So how does that happen magically? When these people come into your life, you don't logically go "oh, I should love that person". It just happens. When you come in as a child, the parents are there, chosen. It's not random, it's actually quite magically, I'd say, orchestrated. For a purpose.
Danielle: So if somebody's listening to this, and they're feeling like, oh my god, I have that feeling, I want something more, I know I'm destined for something more, I'm feeling stuck, I feel like I know what it is… are there things that they should do today, or should they just get in touch with you and get this sorted out?
Elisa: Well, if they're anyone like me, I would just say straight up: come and do a session. Because it's a gentle way to find the answers, it's efficient and effective. There are ways for you to try and tap into your subconscious yourself. You can do it through meditation, psychedelic sessions, breath work, singing bowls, crystal healing, all the things. But I have found that having someone else help me get there is more efficient. And it's quite a deep session, it goes for a couple of hours, half a day at least. To get to that level of insight, and that level of past life exploration, we need to take you to a deep level of consciousness. It's not just "come in for 45 minutes and I'll do a Reiki on you". It's deeper than that. That's why I'm doing this: because I know it works, it's the most efficient way, and it gets effective results. For someone who says, yes, I've got this block, I want to know what it is, I want to remove the block: come and see me. I call it rewiring the back end of your mind. You don't have to do anything, you just lie down and have a deeply relaxing experience.
Danielle: That sounds right up my alley at the moment!
Elisa: And you don't need to come and see me regularly. That's the thing. When you're serious, and you really want to get into it, you come and see me, and we'll get into it.
Danielle: Oh my god, this is so good. Now, I could talk to you all day, but… we've talked zero business and all life today, which I absolutely love. It's always a choose-your-own-adventure on these podcasts. But what I'm gonna do is ask you the same question that I ask everybody to wrap up. So, reflecting on your time in business, and I would say reflecting on your transition as well, between career and business: what would be a piece of advice that you would give to another woman on her business journey?
Elisa: Oh my gosh, that's just too broad! A piece of advice…
Danielle: You're like, we have to start all over again!
Elisa: To be honest, and I'm not just about plugging myself and all that, it's to find a way to tap into your own answers from within. With my modality, it's your subconscious self through hypnosis. As soon as you can get that confirmation and clarity within yourself, everything else just falls in. Because for me, it's like missing that guiding post: having an inkling is not strong enough. Having that confirmation and the deep clarity, that actually saves me time and effort and energy in the wrong direction. So I would say: do this process. I wish I knew earlier. But I didn't, and that's okay, because I understand what the fumbles and the foils are of not being in that clarity. I do now have clarity. And I think clarity is such a gift, because it gives you focus, and it gives you confidence. And for women, 100%, we all need to get rid of the doubt.
Danielle: So anything that can help us with clarity and focus and confidence.
Elisa: I'd love to help. Because once women can all get their shit sorted, oh my goodness, the world will transform!
Danielle: Oh my god, that is so true, and I just couldn't agree with you more. When you have clarity, when you have focus, when you have confidence, business feels easy.
Elisa: And it should be fun!
Danielle: Yeah, it should be fun! Let's bring back the fun!
Elisa: It's a lot of fun! It's a choice, though, right? You either choose the fun, or you choose the hamster wheel. But it's a choice. There's gonna be more to life than this!
Danielle: You are incredible, Elisa. Thank you so much for being here today and sharing your journey and your story and your wisdom with the Spark community. That was absolutely incredible, and hopefully we've helped bring a little bit more clarity to the women in this community.
Elisa: Well, how about I give an offer for anybody who's heard this beautiful interview between us? Thank you, Danielle, for having me on. How about I give a beautiful Spark discount for Spark people?
Danielle: Do it, yeah! We want discounts, yes please!
Elisa: How about a 20% discount? If you hear this, and you're interested, come and see me. The only thing is you need to see me in person, you can't do it by Zoom, so it's a Sydney thing. Mention this, and I'll give you a 20% discount.
Danielle: You are incredible. I will pop a link to all of your things under this podcast, so that anyone listening in can access that and access you. Thank you for being so generous, that's incredible.
Elisa: You're welcome! Thank you for having me, and thank you for listening. It's been lovely spending time with you.
