#awinewith Anastasiya Ovechkin: why endometriosis is not just bad periods
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Dr Anastasiya Ovechkin got her period at eight, spent her teens being told it was "just bad periods", and turned that rage into two businesses: The Osteo Den, a women's health and paediatric osteopathy clinic in Black Rock, Victoria, and Wild Oasis Coaching. In this episode she explains why endometriosis is a whole-body condition, why so many women arrive at her clinic exhausted and dismissed, and how she stopped running her business like a man and started running it by her cycle.
Why endometriosis is not just bad periods
Anastasiya's mission starts with busting the biggest myth in women's health. "Endometriosis is not a reproductive disorder. It is a full-body systemic condition that not only functions like an autoimmune disease, but in a lot of ways, it actually mimics how cancer and tumours present." Joint pain, migraines, gut issues, inflammation, and yet women are still handed the same three options: go on the pill, have surgery, or have a baby, advice she says has no evidence behind it. And because diagnosis often requires surgery, she believes the real numbers are far higher than the statistics show.
Women arrive at her clinic "just done"
By the time women find Anastasiya, they've been bounced between specialists for years. What breaks them open isn't a treatment plan, it's being believed. "The amount of women that I have had just bawl their eyes out from something as simple as, I hear you, this is your reality, and your pain's real. We haven't even gotten to the management part." Her bigger mission is turning that exhaustion into something more useful: "So many women are tired. But not enough women are angry enough."
Is there hope? (Yes, and it's gentler than you think)
Anastasiya still has endometriosis, but her life looks nothing like it used to, and she's adamant the path back doesn't require blowing everything up. A lot of the work is "surprisingly very gentle, and very simple". The twist is what happens after: "If you work with me, I will not tell you to uproot your life, but there is a very high chance that you will uproot your life." Because once you're educated about your own body and back in charge of your choices, the old, well-packaged box you were living in tends not to fit anymore.
Stop running your business like a man
Anastasiya built her first business the way the books told her to, and pushed until she made herself physically sick, because "so much of the advice for business comes from men, tailored to men". Now she plans her weeks around her cycle: meetings, patients and big tasks when she's ovulating, light admin and proper rest when she's menstruating, and never out of bed before 8am. "That's been the biggest learning curve for me: I'm not a man. I do not have to do things like a man. I do not have to do things alone. I can delegate, I can ask for help, I can have a team."
Anastasiya's one piece of advice for women in business
"Pause and slow down enough for you to actually hear what your body needs. You don't get burnt out for no reason. You don't get sick for no reason. Your body was telling you long before the event ever happened, we were just moving too fast to actually listen. And it might feel like you've lost that productive hustle and grind, but it will actually make you more focused, more productive, more successful, whatever your definition of success is. We only have one body. You're ambitious, you want a specific life for yourself, and you deserve it. It's about slowing down enough to help our body help us get what we deserve."
Meet Anastasiya, Founder of The Osteo Den
Dr Anastasiya Ovechkin (Osteopath) is the Founder of The Osteo Den, a women's health, pelvic floor, pregnancy and paediatric osteopathy clinic in Black Rock, Bayside Melbourne, and of Wild Oasis Coaching, her online coaching space. Living with stage 3 endometriosis, adenomyosis and autoimmune conditions herself, she brings lived experience and a whole-body, trauma-aware approach to helping high-achieving women get their lives, and their autonomy, back.
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Full transcript
Danielle: So good! Anastasiya, thank you so much for being on the Spark TV Podcast. It's so good to have you here.
Anastasiya: Thank you for having me. I'm very excited, and got my glass of wine.
Danielle: I love that you have your glass of wine. I can already tell we're gonna get along when you bring a glass of wine to a podcast. Oh my god, so good. Let's start out by telling everyone who you are and what you do.
Anastasiya: So, I'm Dr Anastasiya Ovechkin. I am the founder of The Osteo Den, which is a women's health and paediatric clinic in Black Rock, Victoria, as well as the founder of Wild Oasis Coaching, which is an online coaching space. And the way that I like to see it is, I help women get their lives back. So, high-achieving women, Type A, kind of eldest daughter syndrome, with endometriosis, adenomyosis, fibromyalgia, and other kind of autoimmune and neurological conditions, where it's kind of just taken over their whole entire lives. Every single decision, every micro decision, every big decision is dictated by their health. It is dictated by their endo, by their adeno, by their PCOS, or by their POTS. And my role is to help women not just get their lives back, and to live freely and happily, but also educate them about their own bodies so that they get their autonomy back. Because in my own personal experience, and in the experience of a lot of my patients, and a lot of my clients, because of how little they know of the way their body actually functions, and their own anatomy, it strips away their choices. So, when they're going to a doctor's office, right, if they don't have enough knowledge about how their hormones work, for example, or how their cycle works, or whatever else it might be, they're kind of going in blind, and they don't have the choices otherwise that they think they would have, because they can't make a proper informed decision based on what the doctor is saying. So they're taking everything at face value, and there is so much conflicting information on social media, in different specialists. You'll go to 5 different specialists for the same thing, and every single one will tell you something completely different, but not actually kind of get to the root cause, or get you in a position where you can actually tackle and manage it, rather than just slapping a band-aid on it. So, that's pretty much what I do.
Danielle: I love it so much, and it's so fascinating, because before we hit record, we were literally having this conversation around cycles, about hormones, and mostly me telling you how much I didn't know about anything. And this is why I love these conversations, because I feel like the way I have learned things about myself has been through hearing other women share their stories. So I love that we have you here today to share your story, to share your work, to share the experiences you've had with your patients, all that good stuff. So, what is a woman generally going through? Like, where are they at in life when they get to you?
Anastasiya: More often than not, they're at the point of, they're just done. They feel like they've tried everything, and a lot of the time they have. They've been bounced around from one specialist to another specialist to another specialist, without a proper team that are all on the same page. So even just take a woman with endometriosis, for example. It's not just bad periods, bad cramping, heavy bleeding. It's joint pain, it's headaches, it's migraines, it's gut stuff, it's inflammation. There's so many components to it, but then you'll be sent to a gynaecologist for the heavy bleeding and the cramps, and they'll be like, oh, you know, go on the pill, here's the surgery, or have a baby. Do you know... okay, this seriously pissed me off, like...
Danielle: I'm just worried about what you're about to say, oh my god.
Anastasiya: Some of them... and I've heard this myself from so many gynos, and so many women come to me, and they're like, my gyno, with my endo, just keeps telling me to get fucking pregnant. Whereas there's no actual evidence where it's shown to have any statistical significance of changing how endometriosis manifests and shows up.
Danielle: Wow. Oh my gosh.
Anastasiya: Right? And it's still one of the most commonly given pieces of advice. Like, women with endo are literally given three things. Go on the pill for the rest of your life.
Anastasiya: Have a baby and see if that helps.
Danielle: Oh my god.
Anastasiya: Or have an operation. And the operation is kind of... so you've got two different types of operations, right? One where they kind of burn it off, the other one where they kind of cut it out at the root. But a lot of the time, it's kind of packaged as, you know, it kind of won't really grow back. They don't really talk about scar tissue. So it's kind of packaged as, this will help you, but not packaged well enough with open discussions of irritation, scar tissue, inflammation, regrowth as well. And then women, after an operation, expect to feel better, but, like, 3-4 months down the line, they're like, I'm feeling fucking worse than I ever have. Why? Right? So, it's shit like that that really pisses me off. Like, it genuinely really, really makes me angry, because it's just... yeah. I've been on the receiving end of it, which is kind of why I went into this space in the first place. But how frequently I hear it, in this day and age?
Danielle: We deserve better, for God's sake, you know?
Anastasiya: It's just, like, I'm honestly just so fucking sick of it. And it's the same old story, it's the same old narrative, and you'd think that, you know, with modern-day medicine, and women seemingly having the same rights as men and all that kind of stuff, we'd get better care. But no, endometriosis, just one example, is still one of the most underfunded conditions, not just in Australia, but kind of globally. And it's one of the most prevalent. And even then, the stats... I still don't believe the stats, because the diagnostic criteria to be diagnosed with endo, a lot of the time, requires a lap, so surgery, to go in and explore.
Danielle: Wow.
Anastasiya: And if you don't get it, even though the likelihood of you having endometriosis might be high, you're kind of not put on that statistical list. So, you know, the current statistics for how many women have endometriosis? That is, in my opinion... bullshit.
Danielle: Probably way too low. Way too low, yeah.
Anastasiya: I will be honest, I actually can't even remember your original question.
Danielle: Me either. I know, we were just getting mad about the world. No, I think you answered it, because I was like, how do people show up? When they get to you, where's a woman actually at? And she's done, she's just done. But it makes so much sense, right? Obviously your experience, obviously what we hear women be told, obviously we know there's so many instances of this, right, where they don't test, you know, drug tests, surgeries, all of these different things. In health, they don't test on women before actually prescribing to women. That's only just starting to change now. But for so long, anything to do with women has been underfunded or ignored, and I can imagine that women would just be done by the time that they get to you, you know? Because this is what they've had to deal with their whole life.
Anastasiya: Yep. And the amount of women that I have had just bawl their eyes out from something as simple as... I hear you, this is your reality, and your pain's real. We haven't even gotten to the management part, where we actually can manage it. We've just gotten to the part where I'm like, girl, okay. I believe you. It's so sad. Just that alone, a lot of the time, with the women that come in, it just cracks something open, and you can see just how much they've been dismissed, ignored, gaslit, by pretty much all their specialists. And I'm not saying that every specialist is a bad one, because, you know, I refer a fair few of my own patients to specific specialists, but I have my own vetting process, and I wouldn't refer anyone to anyone I personally wouldn't see. So, I'm not saying that everybody's crap out there, I'm just saying that the women that I am seeing, and the pattern that I'm seeing, is... just, like you said, we deserve better. We really, really do.
Danielle: Alright. So, how did you get into this? You obviously mentioned that you have had your own personal experience with it, but obviously there's a little bit more of a backstory, so tell me, tell me everything.
Anastasiya: So, I have a few of said conditions myself. I have stage 3 endometriosis, adenomyosis, fibro, migraines, and coeliac, and an autoimmune condition as well. And I got my period very young, at 8.
Danielle: Wow.
Anastasiya: I also come from a background, Russian, Soviet Union, Russian Orthodox, so things like periods, puberty, changes in the body was just something that just wasn't talked about at all. And I spent pretty much most of my teenage years being told that it's just bad periods. I just have bad periods. Despite... like, I barely graduated high school. I almost didn't, because of how frequently I was not at school. It was a long time ago, but still. And even through, like, with my family, and the specialists that I was seeing, my doctors, they're like, oh, you know, kind of once you get to 18, your hormones will kind of settle, and you'll be fine.
Danielle: Oh, another, just tough it out.
Anastasiya: Tough it out, right? Like, you know, it's really not that bad. Like, I couldn't toilet myself. I was, you know, TMI, but I was literally pissing myself during my periods, or really, really intense endo flares that had zero bleeding. I wasn't bleeding at all, but I was flaring up. Because I couldn't walk the five paces to my toilet without blacking out.
Danielle: Holy shit!
Anastasiya: Right? And that's quite common. So, being told that it's just a bad period, or it will settle when you're a little bit older, or you kind of just have to tough it out, is very disturbing. Like, when you think about it, and when you say it out loud, it's borderline psychotic. Right, it's actually, like, crazy.
Danielle: It's absolutely psychotic. It's abuse, you know?
Anastasiya: And then I was popped on the pill at a very young age, I believe I was about 15, 16 years old. That allowed me to barely scrape through high school, and to barely scrape through uni. But that was kind of my experience. And the anger, like, the absolute rage that I had about how I was treated by specialists, by friends, by family, by teachers, by people who were kind of supposed to support me, how little options I had as well, where it's just like, fucking tough it out, here's the pill, or have a baby. I was told to have a kid when I was a teenager.
Danielle: You're joking! Oh my god!
Anastasiya: Right? And the fact that nothing other than my bleeds were ever discussed. My migraines weren't talked about. The endo flares that I had, where I would bloat up and look like I'm freaking in my second or third trimester of pregnancy, was not discussed. Food intolerances were not discussed, the constant nausea and the throwing up. Nothing was really discussed other than, it's bad periods, might be endo. I did end up having a series of surgeries that kind of just made it worse and worse and worse and worse every single time. And then I kind of just went down the rabbit hole. I just went down the rabbit hole of endometriosis, adenomyosis, PCOS, migraines, and even fibro, and that whole entire... and the more I dug into it, especially in my med degrees, is that every single one of those things is connected. Endometriosis is not a reproductive disorder. It is a full-body systemic condition that not only functions like an autoimmune disease, but in a lot of ways, it actually mimics how cancer and tumours present.
Danielle: Wow.
Anastasiya: Right? You know, endometriosis lesions, they have their own blood supply. They have their own nerve supply. They can produce their own hormones. It spreads like cancer does. Yes, there are a few different differentiating factors, but I've found that when I make the comparison of tumour and cancer and endometriosis, people are like, wow, that's actually serious. I'm like, yeah.
Danielle: We've only been telling you this for so long. Wow.
Anastasiya: Why does something have to be compared to cancer for people to see that women have been suffering for decades? And just being brushed off, or gaslit, or ignored, or being freaking told to have a baby!
Danielle: Oh my god.
Anastasiya: So it was that that really, really got me into the industry. But then in terms of business, if I can be super honest, I fucking hate being told what to do.
Danielle: The typical business owner!
Anastasiya: I hate it so much. I hate systems that do not align with the way I like things. Like, full disclosure, the amount of contracts where I've been, like, a subcontractor or an employee, that I have been fired from because of that, is not even funny. I remember having a conversation with my dad about this years ago, and he's just like, you know, this pattern keeps coming up, you know, maybe you need to reconsider your personality. I'm like, no, I just need to reconsider my environment.
Danielle: Absolutely, I am not the problem!
Anastasiya: I am not the problem here! So I created a space and environment where I can learn, I can do things at my own pace. Like, yes, I'm stubborn as an ox, like, if I've got my teeth and hooks into something, I will not let go. But at the same time, if a person's like, okay, this is great, or, what you're doing is really crap, this is how you can do it better, I'm like, okay, cool, alright, but I want to do it my way, at my own pace, right? So I don't want to follow whatever weird, delusional timeline you have in your head, unless it's actually valid. Like, if it's a valid thing, I'll do it, or I'll delegate somebody to do it for you. But in terms of business, that's just purely me just living in my own land.
Danielle: I love it, and I actually think that it's wildly fascinating that you have that kind of personality, and you've chosen to take on the system, you know? You're obviously the type of person that doesn't want to work inside a system, but it takes someone like you to actually make change in a system that is broken.
Anastasiya: Yeah. The long-term goal is, hopefully I can create enough movement, enough noise, and enough impact for the system to change, and to help other women find their voices as well, and to find their anger, right? Because I feel like so many women's very righteous anger, by the way, is just smothered. We're told to just swallow it. We have to be nice, we have to be kind, we have to just choke on it, and be likeable, because nobody wants a difficult woman. And I hope that, with time and with enough force and energy, I can help women actually find their anger as well, to be angry about how they've been treated, not just tired. Because a lot of them are just tired. I'm tired of being told that my endo is just bad periods. I am tired of being told that my pain is just my life. So many women are tired. But not enough women are angry enough.
Danielle: I love that. So, is there hope? If you are currently suffering from any one of these issues, is there hope?
Anastasiya: 100%. 100%. So it's one of those things where it takes time. Even just from my own experience, I still have endometriosis, and I still have periods of my life where I am in a shithole, right? But absolutely nothing in comparison to how it used to be, even on contraception, when a lot of my symptoms were smothered and band-aided over. In saying that, if I had the knowledge that I do now, I would have lived my whole entire life differently.
Danielle: Wow.
Anastasiya: Right. So, yes, there is hope for women with any of these conditions. There are things that we can do about it. And a lot of it is surprisingly very gentle, and very simple. Little things, right? So, it's just interesting that there's also this narrative where women have to uproot their whole entire lives, and change their whole entire lives, in order to kind of get to a good place, where it really doesn't need to be that way. You don't need to change everything that you're doing. You don't need to change how you're living your life, and uproot everything, and just have this global, massive shift to get to a place where every choice isn't dictated by your health. And that's just the bare minimum, right? We don't want that. We want for you to actually live, and experience joy, and have a great fucking sex life, and go on that trip that you wanted but you keep putting off, or have that glass of wine that you're just like, hmm, it might flare me up. No, no, no. We want the big things, and we want the little things as well. To truly experience everything that life has to offer, and to feel passionate again, and to feel alive again, not just fucking tired. But in saying that, a lot of the work that I do, both from the medical perspective, but also the, how do I word this, spiritual side of things, because there is a spiritual component, right? Helping my patients and my clients unlearn certain patterns and internal narratives that have been hardwired through culture and society and environment. A lot of the time, the end result will be that their whole entire life changes and uproots, because the person they become no longer fits in the little, well-packaged box that they have been placed in.
Danielle: Wow.
Anastasiya: So, while you don't need to uproot your life to get to a good space, you do end up uprooting your life, because being in a good space will mean that you don't fit into the old space.
Danielle: Wow. That is so interesting, isn't it? It's almost the realisation that you have self-worth, the realisation that there is a solution, that you're not crazy, that the things that you want aren't unreasonable. It's almost when you have that realisation, everything does change. And I see that, not just obviously with health, but with business, with money, with relationships. You're right, it's not about uprooting your whole life, but once you have the realisation that you're enough, you end up uprooting your whole life.
Anastasiya: It's like a little hazard label that I have sometimes. Like, if you work with me, I will not tell you to uproot your life, but there is a very high chance that you will uproot your life.
Danielle: Oh my god, that is incredible. I just love it so much, because I just know that there are so many women listening to this right now who can relate to any one of those things, whether it be an actual health condition, whether it be how they've been treated, how they're feeling, whatever it is. I know that there's at least one person listening that's like, holy shit, yes, that's me. So I do love that you're like, no, absolutely not. It just takes someone to listen to you, and there are strategies for a better life. And I think we can apply that to any problem that you're dealing with. You've got to find the right people, and you've got to find the right team to surround yourself with.
Anastasiya: 100%. Yeah, 100%. I need to cheers to that, like, seriously.
Danielle: Cheers, yes! Oh my god, that's so good! If anyone is listening and just takes that one thing away, we've done our job today. Oh, that is incredible, I love it. So, you talked about the reason you started your business is obviously because you didn't like being told what to do. I can relate. How has the journey been for you? Has it all been smooth sailing?
Anastasiya: Oh, God, no.
Danielle: Because not only are you solving a problem and helping clients, you also have to be a business owner and figure all of that stuff out. What's that journey been like for you?
Anastasiya: Oh my goodness. Just imagine you're stranded in the middle of the ocean, turbulent water, with just a life raft that is made of air. Yes, that is how it feels! No land in sight, and you're just like, I am thirsty, I am hungry, I am tired. But it's been, like, zero regrets. Just even from a personal growth perspective, I have changed and grown and learned so much about myself, about the world. It's been incredibly enriching, but also incredibly just... it's two sides of the same... I think my words aren't coming out right, I think I'm tipsy.
Danielle: Oh my god. We haven't even gone through one glass of wine yet!
Anastasiya: It's after my period, so I'm a little bit more lightweight than usual.
Danielle: It's just so funny, and we were talking about this before we started. I was like, I didn't even know that could be a thing, but now that you've told me, and I reflect on those moments, I'm like, oh, that's, you know, a funny thing about a woman's body that you just don't learn about.
Anastasiya: Yeah, your tolerance for alcohol and other things can shift depending on where you are in your cycle, and right now, I'm pretty much two-thirds of the way through my wine, and I can already feel it.
Danielle: Well, we're nearly close to the end, so don't worry.
Anastasiya: But yes, going back to your original question, it definitely has not been smooth sailing, and I definitely had to learn a lot about myself. I'm unlearning it still, but, you know, typical eldest daughter, Type A, freaking autistic personality, but, like, actually autistic. And so much of what I initially started was me trying to do everything on my own. I wanted to learn, at the same time, all the things that I would need to then delegate to other people, so that I would have the skills. But also because I have been, my whole entire life, so used to doing everything on my own, that when I went into business, I couldn't fathom ever not being on my own, and not having, whether it's a team or a person, to actually help me through not just decisions, but even certain tasks, or to just bounce ideas off of. So, I had been so used to just stewing and solving and doing things by myself that that translated into business. And then I also ran my business like a man. Initially. Because a lot of the books, a lot of the advice, the podcasts, the this, the that, everything is tailored towards men a lot of the time. And just even from an anatomical point of view, we are fundamentally different to men. It's pure and simple, men and women, we are different. Does it make one any better than the other? I would be biased to say that, yes, women are better off.
Danielle: No arguments here.
Anastasiya: But so much of the advice for business, it comes from men, tailored to men. And I would push and push and push and push until I would actually make myself physically sick. Whereas now, at the moment, I'm not moving like a sloth through my business. I do have moments where I'm just slumming it through, and other times where I'm moving fast. But it's something that I've learned, where I'm in a happy middle ground, where I'm moving at a good pace, but that pace changes depending on where I'm at in my cycle. When I'm ovulating, for example, I will have more meetings then. I'll see more patients, more clients. I will be more business and task-oriented, because I have the energy, I have the focus. Whereas, for example, when I'm menstruating, it's, nobody talk to me, otherwise I will bite you.
Danielle: My out-of-office is on.
Anastasiya: Or it's really, really light admin tasks, or things that have fallen on the back end of things, or a couple of emails. Things that require very, very little energy and input from me, so that I can focus on healing, resting, and recovering. And so I will now run my business based on, yes, routine, and yes, discipline, but not like the 5am-every-single-day discipline club, right? Because that's just not how my body likes things, it's not how my body functions. Like, you will not see me out of bed before 8am, unless it's something super, super important. It just won't happen, right? And you won't see me doing anything productive after 10pm, because I like my slow mornings, I like my slow routine. So that's kind of been the biggest learning curve for me, is that I'm not a man. I do not have to do things like a man. I do not have to do things alone. I can delegate, I can ask for help, I can have a team. I can have whatever the fuck I want!
Danielle: Oh, I love that so much. And it's so fascinating. You're so right. I know, even my experience, the first time I got into business was from reading The 4-Hour Workweek by Tim Ferriss. Again, man, giving man advice. And the other day, like, the biggest shift I had was I did a podcast recording with this woman who, same story, push, push, push, hustle, hustle, and she's like, my definition of success changed. Now I know if I'm being successful based on if I have my slow mornings. And I was like, holy shit, that is my new KPI. Slow, no stress in the mornings, just get up, have that coffee, go for a walk, prioritise myself, and then get into the day. And if I get that, that's a successful day.
Anastasiya: 100%. And I find that on the days where I'm rushed in the morning for whatever reason, or I don't get my walk in, or I don't get that little snippet... because I will get a little bit of movement, maybe it's a walk or some yoga, or I'll journal in the morning, and I'll prepare for my day. It's a kind of light and aesthetic day of preparation. Oh my goodness, okay, I just have to share, because...
Danielle: I love this!
Anastasiya: So I've got, like, a diary, and it's beautiful. It's got my initials in it, and then it's got a slide-in for my actual journal planner, and honestly, it's just so beautiful. And it doesn't just have a monthly planner, so this is kind of what a week and day's worth of my planning would look like.
Danielle: Oh my god. That's stressing me out.
Anastasiya: On paper! But then it's got other areas of little goals and journal prompts. It's got this section of a life review.
Danielle: Oh, wow. Amazing!
Anastasiya: So it's more than just a planner, and to be honest, for anybody who freaking will listen, I'm just like, look at it!
Danielle: It's so good, isn't it? Giving yourself that time to actually plan, to journal, to take the time, rather than, like, oh my god, I'm up, I need to be hustling!
Anastasiya: Yeah, 100%. And it makes me really anxious, and I get angsty throughout the rest of the day, and I can't settle, and I can't sleep properly. It really, really screws me over if I have a really rushed morning, and so I will always now prioritise a slower morning in comparison to anything else. Like, the world can be burning, and we could be going through frickin' World War III and the apocalypse, and I'll be like, I am still having my coconut water first! Go away!
Danielle: Oh my god. Totally! Oh, I could talk to you all day, but I always love to wrap up these podcasts with one last piece of advice. So, reflecting on your time in business, what would be a piece of advice that you would give to another woman on her business journey?
Anastasiya: Pause and slow down enough for you to actually hear what your body needs. Because you don't get burnt out for no reason. You don't get sick for no reason. You don't collapse and have weeks where you can't do anything for no reason. Your body was telling you, long before the event ever happened. We were just moving too fast, not slowing down enough, not pausing, not breathing enough to actually not just hear, because we hear, and then we're like, fuck it, I'll be fine, but to actually listen, and to be present in our bodies. To actually drop back down into our bodies. Because that, in itself... I don't want to say it will slow you down, because it might feel that way initially, because it feels like you've lost that productive hustle and grind. But it will actually make you more focused, more productive, more successful, whatever your definition of success is. Right? When you're present in your body, when you're listening to it, and when you're doing what it actually needs to support you. Because we only have one body. And, you know, to all the women in business: you're ambitious, right? You want things for yourself, you want a specific life for yourself, and you deserve it. We as women deserve it. It's just about slowing down enough to help our body help us to get what we deserve.
Danielle: Oh my god, I could not agree with you more. Cheers to you, gorgeous! Thank you so much! Thank you so much for sharing your experience, your time, your wisdom, that was absolutely incredible.
Anastasiya: Oh, honestly, just such good fun, such good fun, it really is.
